Master mech at work at the Pred event now

realkingcobra said:
Wasn't those 3 piece slates that were crowned in the first Arizona event, and didn't Ernesto have to drill them in the centers of the slates to pull the crowns down? Didn't he have to slide penny's under the rails to lift the nose height up so the balls would stop jumping off the rails? Did you set them up as well?
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They were, and yes, as stated, I've done every event in the states, except Vegas. Ernesto fixed 2 by drilling. I fixed 1 without. It happens with all manufacturers, some make it easier than others to address. The rubber did not match the sub rail profile. I pointed that out immediately, as unfortunately, that was the first time they could make it to US soil due to covid. That has been fixed. But that was last year. None of those tables were for the public. Do I need to bring up those red labels? I am speaking of the 3 piece slate tables I have set up for customers and in our training area. I have had zero issues. Nothing but positive feedback on how well they play.
 
juspooln said:
They were, and yes, as stated, I've done every event in the states, except Vegas. Ernesto fixed 2 by drilling. I fixed 1 without. It happens with all manufacturers, some make it easier than others to address. The rubber did not match the sub rail profile. I pointed that out immediately, as unfortunately, that was the first time they could make it to US soil due to covid. That has been fixed. But that was last year. None of those tables were for the public. Do I need to bring up those red labels? I am speaking of the 3 piece slate tables I have set up for customers and in our training area. I have had zero issues. Nothing but positive feedback on how well they play.
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Bring up the red labels, I didn't design them, and positive feed back should continue without you having to be the one that sets the tables up, but when 2 Pros, call them junk, and 1 Pro quiting in the middle of a match because the table rolls were a joke, that still goes directly against the tables set up by the Predator installers used in a Professional event, can't down play that just because you wasn't involved. SAMS has been building tables long enough now that none of these complaints should have ever been an issue. Wrong cushions?? Seriously? No excuse!
 
juspooln said:
They were, and yes, as stated, I've done every event in the states, except Vegas. Ernesto fixed 2 by drilling. I fixed 1 without. It happens with all manufacturers, some make it easier than others to address. The rubber did not match the sub rail profile. I pointed that out immediately, as unfortunately, that was the first time they could make it to US soil due to covid. That has been fixed. But that was last year. None of those tables were for the public. Do I need to bring up those red labels? I am speaking of the 3 piece slate tables I have set up for customers and in our training area. I have had zero issues. Nothing but positive feedback on how well they play.
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You have no idea why the tables are even crowned, I do, but I'm not explaining it here on an open forum.
 
realkingcobra said:
You have no idea why the tables are even crowned, I do, but I'm not explaining it here on an open forum.
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Wow! That is quite a bold statement. I know why the slate was crowned in Arizona. I can only speculate as to why there is a problem with some of the tables in Vegas since I am not there.
 
They should have gotten the clue when they broke some of those 1 piece slates in their tables, but I guess they missed it.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well, they'r e consulting with Ernesto now .
They better be redesigning that frame for next year .
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Same frame SAM has been making for 20+yrs. I've only played on one SAM in Atlanta yrs ago. It played, and rolled, perfect. Pred's techs have no clue how to set-up their own shit. Insane. I'll stick with GC4's and Diamond Pros.
 
garczar said:
Same frame SAM has been making for 20+yrs. I've only played on one SAM in Atlanta yrs ago. It played, and rolled, perfect. Pred's techs have no clue how to set-up their own shit. Insane. I'll stick with GC4's and Diamond Pros.
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I don't think the SAM tables are/were developed to be taken down, carted and setup multiple times. If the tables get damaged during this process the best mechanic in the world won't be able to get them to roll true.
 
rexus31 said:
I don't think the SAM tables are/were developed to be taken down, carted and setup multiple times. If the tables get damaged during this process the best mechanic in the world won't be able to get them to roll true.
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Probably hit the nail on the head here. Diamonds are easy to set-up. Before Derby they level them at the shop, ship them, and have one playing in like 45minutes.
 
garczar said:
they level them at the shop, ship them, and have one playing in like 45minutes.
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I did learn this at the factory when training on the leveling systems. I do not believe they need to do this as much as people think. Knowing how much space or people to do this, that they simply dont have, it takes a long time to do that and unloading all the trucks, I would be really really surprised. I been wrong before, so I aint concerned. I could call Paul Smith and ask him directly. Paul used to be and likely still is, at the core of the set up at DCC and most major Diamond events. I have been lucky to work with him and spend a bit of time with him on the road. Tournaments are expensive and I dont see how anyone makes any money accept off the illegal gambling.

TFT
 
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rexus31 said:
I don't think the SAM tables are/were developed to be taken down, carted and setup multiple times. If the tables get damaged during this process the best mechanic in the world won't be able to get them to roll true.
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The problem with those tables is not the slates. I had to laugh when I heard they were drilling the slates and running screws through the slates I to the frame to pull down the crown middles😅🤣🤣if they actually had a real pool table mechanic looking at those tables, he'd have told them the crowned slates is not the problem, and wouldn't have drilled a single screw hole through the slates, because that isn't going to change a damn thing!!!
 
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