Master mech at work at the Pred event now

JoeyInCali said:
All that laughing emojis make you look like a child and unprofessional Glen .
You can certainly not stoop to that level .
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Why, it's always the blind leading the blind in this industry, and sales people that push the products for sale, that care more about their bottom line than they do the customers dollars payed out!

Customer support was no where to be found for the Kim Steel tables built by Sams, when the plastic leg levelers shattered on ALL their 9fts, you couldn't get any replacement levelers, or feedback, let alone any warranty for cheap made, levelers that just broke through leaving the center stud directly contacting the floor to level the tables. And people bought those tables left and right because they were marketed so well. All the pool rooms I know of have all dumped those tables years ago because they were such junk!!
 
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Rasson builds rails for their 9fts that won't last 5 recoveries because the ends of the rails in the corner and side pockets will end up destroyed from trying the staple the cloth around the ends.

Gabriel's 9fts with their extruded aluminum rails and 1/4' thick inlayed poplar to staple the rail cloth to will be destroyed within 5 recoveries as well, just like the little spot of wood they expect to last when stapling the cloth in the back of the rail. 1/4" poplar to staple the cloth to, MOST all installers use at least 5/16" and longer staples, they won't sink the staples all the way in because they won't go through the aluminum under the staple strip, so bent over staples from hell coming soon to those rails, and by the time they get dug out, and the wood dug out as well, then what?

I'm tired of turds being wrapped in pretty paper, and sold as Baby Ruth candy bars!!!😉
 
JoeyInCali said:
All that laughing emojis make you look like a child and unprofessional Glen .
You can certainly not stoop to that level .
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Don't even get me started on the stupid high prices of cloth, as being better for pool tables and this industry!!!

If ANYONE is foolish enough to pay $500 for the cloth on a 9ft pool table, plus the labor to install it, that's a fool that is going to let that cloth stay on the table way, way beyond the time it should have been replaced, leading to extremely offensive looking, worn out tables they still expect their customers to PAY to play on!!!

What this industry needs is an affordable cloth, meaning room owners have got their moneys worth out of the cloth, and will replace it more often, why? Because its AFFORDABLE to do so!! THAT'S the cloth I'm marketing today, affordable, very, very durable, great playing, and great looking cloth!

When I get back down to Boise, I'll post the pictures of the 7ft Diamond table i first installed this cloth on, once I clean it, you won't even know its been played on for 2 months!
 
JoeyInCali said:
All that laughing emojis make you look like a child and unprofessional Glen .
You can certainly not stoop to that level .
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Thanks be to GOD AZB STAFF has placed him on ignore for me. I am not allowed to engage that crap at all. I have a business to run and wasting my time getting into arguments with the wrong people is something I am working on avoiding. THANKS AZB!!

I love this place, I enjoy spending my free time on here with my knowledge base, ideas, comments, pictures and OPINIONS. I know I am not "right" all the time, one thing I do know is: I am always trying to do the right thing. I am not perfect , nor do I think I am. I make mistakes and I fix them. There is a difference between a mistake and purposely screwing someone. That difference is called: intent. I intend on doing everything in every contract I write, if I don't, it was not my intent and I fix it when I am wrong.

Predator is out the trying their hardest to put on the best events they can: its clear that is their intent. So, anyone who thinks they are out there trying to "get away" with anything, they are simply out trying to build their business and help pool grow... I am down with any company that is doing this....

TFT

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realkingcobra said:
Don't even get me started on the stupid high prices of cloth, as being better for pool tables and this industry!!!

If ANYONE is foolish enough to pay $500 for the cloth on a 9ft pool table, plus the labor to install it, that's a fool that is going to let that cloth stay on the table way, way beyond the time it should have been replaced, leading to extremely offensive looking, worn out tables they still expect their customers to PAY to play on!!!

What this industry needs is an affordable cloth, meaning room owners have got their moneys worth out of the cloth, and will replace it more often, why? Because its AFFORDABLE to do so!! THAT'S the cloth I'm marketing today, affordable, very, very durable, great playing, and great looking cloth!

When I get back down to Boise, I'll post the pictures of the 7ft Diamond table i first installed this cloth on, once I clean it, you won't even know its been played on for 2 months!
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What cloth Glen?

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realkingcobra said:
What this industry needs is an affordable cloth, meaning room owners have got their moneys worth out of the cloth, and will replace it more often, why? Because its AFFORDABLE to do so!! THAT'S the cloth I'm marketing today, affordable, very, very durable, great playing, and great looking
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And you call me a salesman.

Do people normally just let you get away with the stuff you write?



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juspooln said:
Is it impossible to be a good mechanic and a salesperson?



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You explain why those slates were high in the middle of those Predator tables first, then if I don't believe your answer, I'll TELL you why they were high, then you can check for yourself!!! Deal????

Do it right here in the open, so everyone can read it for themselves!!! I dare you!!!
 
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Is it impossible to be a good mechanic and a salesperson?



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The only reason I haven't identified the problem yet is because I figured I'd give Sams time to find out what they did wrong and correct it. But I don't have to wait if you'd rather I didn't😉
 
juspooln said:
And you call me a salesman.

Do people normally just let you get away with the stuff you write?




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Apparently you don't know much about me, I install the cloth i sell, I don't sell it to others to install. I do sell glue though, do you need some glue?
 
I have your glue already. I use it for rerubbers and occasionally for pool tables when it fits the occasion.
Although after reading some of your comments on this forum, I am second guessing that choice.
 
realkingcobra said:
You explain why those slates were high in the middle of those Predator tables first, then if I don't believe your answer, I'll TELL you why they were high, then you can check for yourself!!! Deal????

Do it right here in the open, so everyone can read it for themselves!!! I dare you!!!
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Why?

It's funny how you bash all the table manufacturers except Diamond. If you wanted to discuss the shortcomings of all the table manufacturers from a mechanics point of view or the front end of said table manufacturers, I could do that. If you were really willing to help, without self-promoting, I might be on board with that. But from what posts I have read that you have made recently any positives are highly negated with how you present it.

At this point I wouldn't care if you could wrinkle your nose and have 14 pool tables from Walmart set up perfectly in 45 seconds, I wouldn't want you involved.
 
garczar said:
where is this? nice set-up.
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He is Bill Pelham, The Billiard Factory in Jacksonville. He has been working with Predator for years on all of their projects.
The guy must eat, sleep and dream pool: Table Mechanic, League owner, PBIA Teacher, Salesman, Cuemaker, Computer Guy and is the nicest guy to speak with. I met him a few years ago on here. He, like others who SHOULD post on here, either is far to busy or likely gets turned away by the drama/ BS. Not getting involved with the drama in this thread or any of that crap anymore. Things will naturally work themselves out.

TFT
 
juspooln said:
Why?

It's funny how you bash all the table manufacturers except Diamond. If you wanted to discuss the shortcomings of all the table manufacturers from a mechanics point of view or the front end of said table manufacturers, I could do that. If you were really willing to help, without self-promoting, I might be on board with that. But from what posts I have read that you have made recently any positives are highly negated with how you present it.

At this point I wouldn't care if you could wrinkle your nose and have 14 pool tables from Walmart set up perfectly in 45 seconds, I wouldn't want you involved.
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Tell you what, I'll just go ahead and explain the problems with the Predator pool tables, seeing how I'll never install one, or your cloth, not even at a customer's request.

Due to the design of the frame in your pool table, which was designed to sit bolted down on 4 legs, your design team completely overlooked that frame when it came time to lift the table by the frame out of the cart and set it up in a tournament. Due to the extreme stress of the weight of the table being placed directly on the 2 center cross members, designed to support weight on the TOP side of them, but not the entire weight of the table on the bottom side lifted off the ground, so the end results of your inexperience at moving and setting these tables up completely assembled, and the inexperience of the factory producing them, this action BENT the 2 cross members upward, resulting in the slates being high centered side to side, AND end to end! Then this damaged was misdiagnosed as the slates were crowned, solution, drill the slates and screw them down to the frame, pulling down the crown, only, that didn't work out so good for you because they can only be screwed down to the cross members, which are STILL BENT UPWARD, resulting in the tables still being high centered!!! Then the only way to counter the bent cross members was to go around and raise the outside edges of the slate to the level of the bent cross members, but thats a hell of a lot to adjust!!

Then what do you do, but lift them up AGAIN and put them in your carts, and roll them away, ready for the next event, only they're still screwed up!! Tell everyone how they've been fixed now, and they'll be perfect for the next event....hope the Pro's believe all the SALES BS!!!
 
And I'm not bashing the Predator pool tables, I'm just simply pointing out how cheaply its built, and that Predator just puts their name on it, and markets it for sale. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
And I'm not bashing the Predator pool tables, I'm just simply pointing out how cheaply its built, and that Predator just puts their name on it, and markets it for sale. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!
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As I said before I am not in Vegas. So anything I could suggest would just be speculation. When the tables get back to Jax, I will do my HOMEWORK.

And by the way, the tables do not lift out of the cart.
 
juspooln said:
As I said before I am not in Vegas. So anything I could suggest would just be speculation. When the tables get back to Jax, I will do my HOMEWORK.

And by the way, the tables do not lift out of the cart.
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Tilt, same difference, your the lifter, weight, and frame all added up equals a bent frame from being underbuilt!
 
juspooln said:
As I said before I am not in Vegas. So anything I could suggest would just be speculation. When the tables get back to Jax, I will do my HOMEWORK.

And by the way, the tables do not lift out of the cart.
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Not being in Vegas don't excuse the problems with the tables used in Phoenix, drilling slates to pull down crowns on those tables was misdiagnosed as well. Crowned slates should have been identified BEFORE ever having the cloth installed, during the 3 piece set up, not AFTER the fact. And long before they were drilled out, the frames should have been checked for FLATNESS first, as to AVOIDED the need to pull down crowned slates, don't you agree??
 
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