Like I told Jeff, try it and see. Remember, you have to hit it hard enough to make it. Short of jacking way up for a masse trick shot of sorts which nobody is ever going to do in real life for this shot, I don't think you are going to make that shot and see significant swerve.
I don't know that that applies here really. It is pretty binary in that the amount of swerve either was or wasn't a big factor in this particular shot which is what we have been talking about.Significant is relative to the distance
So you can't see any significant swerve on the short shot we are discussing and yet you believe it is there because...well, you haven't offered any evidence for why you believe it is there in an amount that makes a significant practical difference for this particular shot.
Exactly, and in that short of a distance, at that speed of hit you need to make the ball, there isn't time/distance enough for there to be any significant swerve. If you were 4 feet away from the shot then yeah you might have some significant swerve.
I am almost certain a good portion if not all of what you thought was swerve over that 5' of travel after rebounding from the rail was not swerve and in fact the cue ball was tracking on a fairly straight line. I talk about one of the things that could change the rebound angle (that someone could easily misinterpret as being "swerve" when it is not) in the last paragraph of post #36 which I will link to at the very bottom of this post.
First off, you aren't getting any 1" of swerve on this shot if you are shooting it in any typical way that would happen in important games. Closer to .1" than 1" and fairly inconsequential to this particular shot in any case. Which brings up a point. The percentage doesn't matter for the purposes of whether it is significant or not on this shot (significant meaning that it is an objectively large amount that must be adjusted for or you are guaranteed to miss the shot). It doesn't matter if it is even 50% if that 50% only equates to one millionth of an inch over that shot distance at that shot speed as that is still totally insignificant and is making no material difference to the shot.
I just explained why contrary to your belief you are not going to have significant swerve on that shot. Obtuse is believing in things without evidence, and ignoring evidence, both of which you are doing here. If there is a part that you are still not getting then let me know and I will try to clarify some more but honestly the fact that you don't have swerve right away on shots that aren't hit extremely soft is not rocket science and is something that just about any C player knows so I'm not sure why you are struggling so much with the obvious.
No, that shot with OUTSIDE english is what everybody was talking about that you joined in about. Except that unfortunately you couldn't pay attention or had a major reading comprehension problem or whatever was the case and so you apparently started talking about some other completely different shot than everybody else was talking about, and the problem with that was that you never did realize it (and still don't seem to) and in any case you certainly never bothered to let everybody else know that you were talking about something else entirely and you kept responding as if you were talking about the same thing they were when you weren't which caused a ton of confusion. Pay attention so you don't get so lost.
Blah blah. I quoted it because IMO it is always a masse. My prerogative.
We were talking about the version of that shot with outside english. You quoted saying the outside english version of the shot which we were discussing was a masse (it's not nor would that be at all desirable, although the inside english version could be). When repeatedly reminded that we were discussing the the outside english version of the shot you still kept insisting that the outside english version was and should be a masse.
I quoted the pic of the off the rail shot or the initial comments. I have no Fks to give about any discussion about it. Any merit to outside english you care to extrapolate upon?
You started the interchange from left field. You must be a total nit in action.
I started the interchange? Paraphrasing here but Tennesseejoe said he thought the shot could be made with outside english but didn't know the secret to doing it that way and asked for the secret to making it with outside. You responded that the secret was masse and since you didn't specify otherwise you were clearly saying the secret to making it with outside was to use masse. Because that obviously was a dumb fck answer I made sure you knew that he was asking for the outside english secret, and did you really mean to say that it was to masse. You said yes, that the secret to making it with outside english was masse. I reclarified with you many, many more times making sure you understood that it was shooting it with outside that was being discussed and were you sure that you intended your masse response to apply to the outside english shot he was asking about and over and over and over you affirmed that it was. Then later on you say "no, I wasn't talking about the outside english version, I was talking about shooting it some other way, you should have known even though I kept saying I was talking about shooting it with outside english".
I don't like willfully intellectually lazy or stupid people so I wouldn't be good action? Lol, there goes another leap in logic. Let me say it again, if you are going to get involved in a conversation, know what the hell you are talking about, and know what the hell is being discussed, and when you screw up like you did here, big time and over and over, just own it. Most of us are going to end up doing it at some point. The sad part is that you may be so clueless that you still to this moment don't know what you did and how stupid it was so perhaps the issue isn't a failure to admit, but rather a failure to realize because you are so slow that you just still aren't getting it. I didn't think that option was even a possibility so I had ruled it out but now I'm starting to reconsider.
