Appleton Suspension?

The race-to-7 format is not a good format for a masters. It's a crapshoot, but it's Matchroom's court, their ball, and their rules.
Respectfully disagree.

This event is invitational and there is no entry fee. It's a perk for the game's best players, who are guaranteed a payout of $1,750 just for showing up. Like the best known of all Matchroom's invitationals, the Mosconi Cup, it is played in an arena that has room for just one pool table.

Is it a crapshoot? Yes, but completion of the event requires thirty-one matches in four days, and in a one table arena, it needs to be short-race format to be completed without adding days, unless you favor having a smaller field. Don't overlook that this is an invitational event that carries no ranking points. Why should it be managed as if it were a major?

The fans, whether attending or watching on stream, are afforded the opportunity to watch every single match of a tournament. As the Matchroom invitational events (Premier League Pool, World Pool Masters, World Cup of Pool, Mosconi Cup) offer the only chances on the pool calendar for fans to see every match, they are among the most beloved events of the year.

I believe that the short race format is perfect for the World Pool Masters event, and I think it's a crying shame that none of the American event producers do invitationals that ensure the most elite players a good payday. Yes, European event producers are doing far more for the most elite American pool players than American event producers.
 
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I read almost all the posts in this thread, and I still don't understand what happened to Appleton. Does anyone actually know? What did he do? What was his reason? What is the penalty? Who made the penalty? When did it happen? Thanks.

Best I can guess:

(1) Darren complained about the WPA and helped start a new players group (PPPA).
(2) WPA (WADA) tested Darren right after his hill-hill loss to Filler in the World Pool Championship. It was his second test in as many weeks.
(3) Darren was angry and said #2 was due to #1. This caused the suspension of unknown length.

The WPA seems to mishandle and destroy everything it touches lately. I don't know why this is all done in secret--it's not the case with other sports. But perhaps it's an effective deterrent as it's rare for players (other than Earl, or here Darren) to complain about the WPA.
 
Best I can guess:

(1) Darren complained about the WPA and helped start a new players group (PPPA).
(2) WPA (WADA) tested Darren right after his hill-hill loss to Filler in the World Pool Championship. It was his second test in as many weeks.
(3) Darren was angry and said #2 was due to #1. This caused the suspension of unknown length.

The WPA seems to mishandle and destroy everything it touches lately. I don't know why this is all done in secret--it's not the case with other sports. But perhaps it's an effective deterrent as it's rare for players (other than Earl, or here Darren) to complain about the WPA.
Why do they need the WPA? On a certain level I understand the need for an overarching governing body in a sport but that doesn't mean that everyone has to subscribe to it. What do Matchroom and the Predator tour gain? And why does the WPA need WADA? The WPA and the WPA seem like a bad HOA.
 
Respectfully disagree.

This event is invitational and there is no entry fee. It's a perk for the game's best players, who are guaranteed a payout of $1,750 just for showing up. Like the best known of all Matchroom's invitationals, the Mosconi Cup, it is played in an arena that has room for just one pool table.

Is it a crapshoot? Yes, but completion of the event requires thirty-one matches in four days, and in a one table arena, it needs to be short-race format to be completed without adding days, unless you favor having a smaller field. Don't overlook that this is an invitational event that carries no ranking points. Why should it be managed as if it were a major?

The fans, whether attending or watching on stream, are afforded the opportunity to watch every single match of a tournament. As the Matchroom invitational events (Premier League Pool, World Pool Masters, World Cup of Pool, Mosconi Cup) offer the only chances on the pool calendar for fans to see every match, they are among the most beloved events of the year.

I believe that the short race format is perfect for the World Pool Masters event, and I think it's a crying shame that none of the American event producers do invitationals that ensure the most elite players a good payday. Yes, European event producers are doing far more for the most elite American pool players than American event producers.
Stu, do you really think that $1,750 is a "good payday" for a player who has to travel halfway around the world at his own expense to play possibly one short match? I think that amount will barely cover their expenses, if that. I don't know how you travel, but for me to go from Los Angeles to London and spend four days and three nights there would cost me well over $2,000. Now if these select 24 players had been guaranteed $5,000 each that would have been a payday imo. Lets call a spade a spade here okay. They were compensated to cover most of their travel expenses. Perhaps for the Euro based players it was more than enough. But for those traveling from overseas I would doubt that.
 
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I read almost all the posts in this thread, and I still don't understand what happened to Appleton. Does anyone actually know? What did he do? What was his reason? What is the penalty? Who made the penalty? When did it happen? Thanks.
Lady Matchroom said he bitched about his drug test. buh bye...

IMO with coporazi on top, the commercial enterprise IS the deal. Towards that end you see - and will see, a bigger spread on the victors; probably representational of desired economic potential. If you need to know how, only the guilty know for sure. No es me...
 
Whatever one thinks of Emily's many public videos, the fact is that she doesn't do them because she loves the camera or the sound of her own voice. To her credit, she allows herself to be scrutinized and questioned over some of Matchroom's decisions. In this regard, she is giving us a window into the operation and management of a major event producer's world, a window that is almost without precedent. Personally, I love these videos, and I feel that they represent a conversation between an event producer and those who play or follow pro pool that is refreshing.
I slightly disagree with you here... I think Emily enjoys the attention she gets and getting a few moments of spotlight. But to her credit, I think she is just proud of MR`s work and I think it is understandable and human, that she wants everybody to see the work and effort she puts into her projects. It is definitly not about self-promotion.

Do some of you think the pool players can manage their own affairs?
Ask Jay Helfert about that….they walked away from a man who was doing them a lot of good…to follow a man who stole over $600,000 off them…..organizing pool players can be like herding cats.
Well, that's not a nice thing to say. I don't fault them for editing that.

Emily strikes me as someone who is smart, motivated, and has some good ideas, but doesn't understand that not all of her ideas are good.


I totally agree, that pool players (and snooker players) can be total idiots on and off the table and MR (and Emily) do a good job of handling these people, looking to build up a good and clean image for each of them.


On a second thought...I think, the main reason why MR and Emily do the things they do, is, that their premise from the start was, that
"Pool is broken".
With the consequence, that the game, the rules, the players, the marketing, the equipment....everything is broken and needs to be fixed.
And while many, many things had to be rethought and were in desperate need of being modernised, some things were "fixed", that didn`t need to be (like the orange five).

Overall I still think, that MR does a great job and I`m still hoping that in a few years pool can grow to...lets call it "Snooker`s little brother"-status.
 
Does Aramith even offer a set of balls with a purple 4 ball and a black 9 ball? I didn't see one on their web site. I would think it has to be unique so they can track how many sets they sell to pay Matchroom a percentage.
 
Why do they need the WPA? On a certain level I understand the need for an overarching governing body in a sport but that doesn't mean that everyone has to subscribe to it. What do Matchroom and the Predator tour gain? And why does the WPA need WADA? The WPA and the WPA seem like a bad HOA.

I think the WPA would say that they make the official rules, prevent scheduling conflicts, and help promote the sport. I think each of those is only partially true and agree the WPA seems like a bad HOA totally detached from the sport. Their man focus appears to be hobnobbing with the IOC (the Olympics), which leads to the crazy drug testing, Russian bans, and other weird things most pro sports don't deal with.
 
Stu, do you really think that $1,750 is a "good payday" for a player who has to travel halfway around the world at his own expense to play possibly one short match? I think that amount will barely cover their expenses, if that. I don't know how you travel, but for me to go from Los Angeles to London and spend four days and three nights there would cost me well over $2,000. Now if these select 32 players had been guaranteed $5,000 each that would have been a payday imo. Lets call a spade a spade here okay. They were compensated to cover most of their travel expenses. Perhaps for the Euro based players it was more than enough. But for those traveling from overseas I would doubt that.
I'll stand corrected, but ...

There are no entry fees, so $1,750 is good money for just showing up. No doubt, I should have called it a free roll rather than a handsome payday. Then again, the seeded players had to win just one match to be guaranteed $3,750, so it is very easy action compared to nearly all other events on pool's calendar.

All these players had to be in Europe anyway for the UK Open, one of the most prestigious pool events of 2022 and a Matchroom major, that begins in a few days, so nobody will have travelled to Europe just for the World Pool Masters. Getting $1,750 net of entry fee is probably as good as getting $2,500. To make $1,750 net of entry fee at the US Open 9-ball, you needed, more or less, to finish 17th, and the only players that showed a profit based on the $1,750 figure are the sixteen players out of 256 that reached the Stage 2 single elimination.

Yes, the free roll that is the World Pool Masters is a very big deal. The last American event I know of that took care of players lodging and entry fee expenses while ensuring participants decent prize decent money was the Make-It-Happen series, which is gone for about seven years, and today, I don't know of even one such event on our side of the pond.

In a sport in which even the elite routinely spend lots of money just to chase small prize funds, this is pretty good stuff. The four Matchroom Invitationals, in which you get paid just for showing up, are a big deal in pool. At the Premier League Pool, even if you come 16th out of 16 players, you get $2,500. At the World Cup of Pool, first round losing teams share $3,625 ($1,800 per player. At the Mosconi, members of the losing team get $15,000. Unlike American event producers, Matchroom does a lot to give the elite players additional earnings opportunities at little to no expense to those players, and they pay out about $700,000 in their invitationals alone.

In the net result, Jay, you are correct, but my inclination remains to be very thankful for the Matchroom invitationals, which are offering the top players earnings opportunities greater than they've had since the IPT. These four invitationals alone pay out more than the entire CSI/Predator event series, inclusive of the World 10-ball. Matchroom is making pool a good career for more players than ever, and the end of year money list for 2022 will look far more impressive than any in recent memory.

PS For what it's worth, I'm flying to London later this week, and my round-trip airfare is $574. European travel from America isn't very expensive right now.

Note: this post has been amended
 
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I got to watch all of yesterday at a friends house.
The production level by Matchroom is great, I would even say better than the TV days before. The camera work was outstanding, the slow motion shots are just great to watch. Commentating is top notch, although Karl needs to learn to respond in a timely manner. He left JJ hanging to often. I like the grey cloth, fell like it really puts the focus on the balls.
The Balls, why? Just Why? Why would you chose another ball's traditional color for the 5? Then, you know it's wrong, but won't change it? The purple 5 ball ruined an otherwise first class production. Matchroom is producing top level sport production yet using a flawed ball set. She talks about standardization all the time but the only time you ever see a purple 5 ball is on their broadcast. How will their "new viewers" react when they find out no where else in the world uses a purple 5 ball? She could literally switch the 4 and 5 and improve the broadcast 100%!
 
I'll stand corrected, but ...

There are no entry fees and JAM reported earlier in this thread that Matchroom picks up lodging costs, so $1,750 is good money for just showing up. No doubt, I should have called it a free roll rather than a handsome payday. Then again, the seeded players had to win just one match to be guaranteed $3,750, so it's very easy action compared to nearly all other events on pool's calendar.

All these players had to be in Europe anyway for the UK Open, one of the most prestigious pool events of 2022 and a Matchroom major, that begins in a few days, so nobody will have travelled to Europe just for the World Pool Masters. Getting $1,750 net of entry fee and lodging cost is probably as good as getting $3,000. To make $1,750 net of lodging and entry fee at the US Open 9-ball, you need to cash for about $3,500, which is roughly what Shane cashed for in his ninth-place finish in 2021 in the field of 256.

Yes, the free roll that is the World Pool Masters is a very big deal. The last American event I know of that took care of players lodging and entry fee expenses while ensuring participants decent prize decent money was the Make-It-Happen series, which is gone for about seven years, and today, I don't know of even one such event on our side of the pond.

In a sport in which even the elite routinely spend lots of money just to chase small prize funds, this is pretty good stuff. The four Matchroom Invitationals, in which you get paid just for showing up, are a big deal in pool. At the Premier League Pool, even if you come 16th out of 16 players, you get $2,500. At the World Cup of Pool, first round losing teams share $3,625 ($1,800 per player. At the Mosconi, members of the losing team get $15,000. Unlike American event producers, Matchroom does a lot to give the elite players additional earnings opportunities at little to no expense to those players.

In the net result, Jay, you are correct, but my inclination remains to be very thankful for the Matchroom invitationals, which are offering the top players earnings opportunities greater than they've had since the IPT. These four invitationals alone pay out more than the entire CSI/Predator event series, inclusive of the World 10-ball. Matchroom is making pool a good career for more players than ever, and the end of year money list for 2022 will look far more impressive than any in recent memory.

PS For what it's worth, I'm flying to London later this week, and my round-trip airfare is $574. European travel from America isn't very expensive right now.
Thank you Stu for your well laid out response to my earlier post. No question that having pre paid lodging makes a huge difference here. Hotel costs are through the roof everywhere! I still wouldn't exactly call it a good payday, but I agree when you call it a "free roll." No question, Matchroom is heading in the right direction. Let's hope it continues and gets even better for the players. Perhaps Predator and others will step up their game a notch in this regard as well.
 
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I won't retort my thoughts about your comment. The thread is about another subject, not me. Personal attacks, though, seem to be the norm on AzBilliards Discussion Forum quite often. I hope you enjoy the World Pool Masters. :)

calling a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory is hardly a personal attack though. rather than making this all about you i think it would be appreciated if you elaborated the following sentence:

there's a class system, with Americans treated differently than their European brethren by Matchroom and pool fans around the world.
 
Thank you Stu for your well laid out response to my earlier post. No question that having pre paid lodging makes a huge difference here. Hotel costs are through the roof everywhere! I still wouldn't exactly call it a good payday, but I agree when you call it a "free roll." No question, Matchroom is heading in the right direction. Let's hope it continues and gets even better for the players. Perhaps Predator and others will step up their game a notch in this regard as well.
I amended my post, Jay, because I was wrong about lodging costs. Still, even after the correction, the spirit of the post is unchanged.

Matchroom ad CSI/Predator are both really stepping up to the plate for pro pool, and I'm more optimistic about pool's immediate future that I have been for a long time.

At long last, the top players are making a solid living. Through April, the top ten on the 2022 money list have all made over $40,000 in prize money.
 
Thank you Stu for your well laid out response to my earlier post. No question that having pre paid lodging makes a huge difference here. Hotel costs are through the roof everywhere! I still wouldn't exactly call it a good payday, but I agree when you call it a "free roll." No question, Matchroom is heading in the right direction. Let's hope it continues and gets even better for the players. Perhaps Predator and others will step up their game a notch in this regard as well.

Curious on your thoughts, Jay. What percentage of expenses is it for an international pool player on winnings? Hypothetically speaking, if a pool player earns $100,000 in a year, what percentage of that goes to expenses, travel, lodging, food, entry fees if applicable, miscellaneous? And then, of course, there's the taxes.
 
calling a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory is hardly a personal attack though. rather than making this all about you i think it would be appreciated if you elaborated the following sentence:

there's a class system, with Americans treated differently than their European brethren by Matchroom and pool fans around the world.
I just figured out how to send a private message on the forum's new software. I just sent you a private message and elaborated. I don't care to engage in a back-and-forth on a thread about Darren Appleton's suspension.
 
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My take on this is first of all Emily likes being on camera. She adores the limelight of being the maestro of pool and the face of Matchroom. She constantly talks about the things "we" have done and yet I get the feeling that these are decisions she has made pretty much on her own. Her long explanation about why "we" changed the colors of the balls and how they "pop" out now is total nonsense. The traditional ball colors have been around for literally centuries and are far more recognizable then the new colors that she happens to like. It's almost as if she thinks she can change the ball colors like she changes her hair style or make-up. Let's see, "this should look pretty today!" For all her enthusiasm Emily is a relative newbie to pool. You don't just come in and change things that are traditional to a sport on a whim. It would be like a new lady commissioner of baseball deciding that round bases would be more aesthetically pleasing on television. There should be pushback on the changing of the ball colors and rightfully so.

I'm all for Matchroom promoting professional pool and creating some new, bigger and better events. How well they succeed depends on more than just adding a little money to the pot. When I see Matchroom events being televised on a network in the United States, which is the largest television market in the free world, then I will be impressed. If I want to watch a pool stream then I will go to Pool Action TV for a better show with a variety of games being played, and the four ball is purple and the five ball is orange! And I don't have to listen to Ray Hansen pontificate on what he is doing to better the sport, while he is styling new duds and a well coifed hairdo. He just keeps giving us good pool week after week!

Sorry, man, BBC is the largest viewership in the 'free' world. This is why pool in the USA is a losing bet. No private network can compete with state television.

There is a reason that snooker is huge. That reason is because the UK loves showcasing any of four things it can compete in on a global stage. Rah-rah britian, and all that. Snooker is one of those things. Putting a bunch of pool players on ESPN playing for lunch money is not going to sell to the world.
 
I think we also have to remember that these top players should have sponsors. And those sponsors should be helping with their expenses to get to the events that are most publicly visible. And it’s a symbiotic relationship because going to Matchroom events like WPM gives the players the kind of household name status (at least for the target demographic) that makes those players worthy of sponsorship. So they aren’t just competing for prize money. They’re competing for stature which in turn should be landing them better and better sponsorship packages.
 
I think we also have to remember that these top players should have sponsors. And those sponsors should be helping with their expenses to get to the events that are most publicly visible. And it’s a symbiotic relationship because going to Matchroom events like WPM gives the players the kind of household name status (at least for the target demographic) that makes those players worthy of sponsorship. So they aren’t just competing for prize money. They’re competing for stature which in turn should be landing them better and better sponsorship packages.

Should have sponsors? Why? What value do they bring to a sponsor?
 
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