Jayson Shaw in the Hunt for Another 14.1 Record

[sjm]

I don't think he does.

The skill required to manhandle an opponent in a rotation tourney is far less than that required to run 14.1 like he does.

pont being, lots of guys can run 9b racks but not a lot can run 200+...and even fewer can go 500+.

Just the opposite.

In the straight pool era, champions regularly defended their titles, because it's a game that, at the highest level of competition, enabled them to put opponents in the chair for forty-five minutes at a time on a fairly regular basis. More than a few had the skills to do just that, and some who were counted among the best at straight pool were extremely successful in transition to nine-ball (Sigel, Varner, Rempe) while other legends of straight pool were not as successful (West, Martin, Mizerak, Lane).

There are definitely more bumps in the road to negotiate in nine-ball than there ever were in straight pool, which is why even the most skilled players rarely ever defend a title. Sustained excellence in nine ball competition has always been harder to come by than it was in the straight pool era, and for the most part, no nine-baller has ever come close to dominating the play in the manner that Mosconi or Greenleaf did at straight pool.

 

[stevelomako]

Thats a good point. A good golf game usually continues with players jumping in and out. Here in San Diego, there is a golf game running continuous with players getting in and out almost all day everyday

Off the top of your head, any idea of the average age of the players?

Also, how old do you think the 5 youngest are?

Thanks

 

[measureman]

Sometimes in 9 ball you break a ball in and have an easy out.
There is never an easy rack of 14.1 after the break shot,there are always little problems you have to solve.

 

[sjm]

There is never an easy rack of 14.1 after the break shot,there are always little problems you have to solve.

Unless your name is Lassiter, Hohmann or Feijen, all of whom hit the break shot with such force that some racks amounted to little more than mop up work.

 

[Cameron Smith]

Unless your name is Lassiter, Hohmann or Feijen, all of whom hit the break shot with such force that some racks amounted to little more than mop up work.

Gotta add Shaw to that list now. Some of those racks look like the balls were placed by hand.

 

[ShootingArts]

While Shaw with his love of massaging the balls just so with lots of nudging doesn't have the same elegance as Mosconi he does have that same air from immediately after the break shot that everything is copecetic and he'll be shooting his next break shot in a minute or two. It is kinda hypnotic to watch him hitting 14.1 racks.

My opinion not too long ago was that he wasn't really a straight pool player just a straight shooter but Shaw is causing me to have to reevaluate that opinion.

Hu

 

[JusticeNJ]

He's a magnificent player who has had a stellar career, but the answer might well be never.

That's not because Jayson's anything short of being a superstar, but because the quality of the fields he faces and will continue to face means that nothing will come easy. With the return of Gorst upon us and the return of the most elite Asians looming down the road, the fields in the most prestigious Matchroom non-team nine ball events (Premier League Pool, World Pool Masters, World Pool Championship, UK Open, European Open, US Open 9-ball) will be very hard to beat. Gorst and Filler may be the most successful in tournament play in the near future, but I doubt either of them will dominate the sport. No doubt, Shaw will often be in the mix in the later rounds of the most prestigious nine-ball events and will win some more titles.

I have no comment on 10-ball, which remains a fringe game as far as pro competition is concerned. Outside of the World 10-ball championship, 10-ball isn't delivering the kind of elite fields found in the nine ball events. I really don't care one way or the other who, if anybody, will dominate ten-ball.

It's not clear why one would expect success in exhibition straight pool to translate to dominance in competitive nine ball. Even at straight pool, lest we forget, it was Filler and Gorst who came first and second at the 2021 American 14.1 Championship. Competitive straight pool tells you more about a player's pedigree than exhibition straight pool.

All that said, I'd love to see Jayson dominate.

How do you think Shaw stacked up around 2015 - 2017 against the field? That time sort of between the tail end of Shane's peak and the rise of Filler and Gorst. Seemed like Jayson won a lot of tournies then. I guess maybe a period that short isn't really "domination."

 

[sjm]

How do you think Shaw stacked up around 2015 - 2017 against the field? That time sort of between the tail end of Shane's peak and the rise of Filler and Gorst. Seemed like Jayson wont a lot of tournies then. I guess maybe a period that short isn't really "domination."

I'm pretty sure Jayson never attained the #1 ranking. Do you really think there was ever a time when he was considered a stronger player than Shane? When Jayson won the 2017 US Open 9-ball, Shane had won three of the last four (2013, 2014, and 2016) at that event. In both 2015 and 2016, Shane won a silver medal at the World 9-ball Championships.

Jayson had his best run in the 2015-17 period you mention, but even in that stretch, he wasn't the best player. Did he dominate? Surely you jest. I'll add that in that period, Dennis Orcullo was easily Jayson's equal, and perhaps Darren Appleton, too. Jayson has been a superstar in pool for a long time and I'm a big fan of his, but he was never the best and any suggestion that he ever dominated pool is, quite simply, misinformed.

 

[Chicagoplayer]

That's what I thought. Then people from the past started sending friend requests, people I never really even liked back then. Then they mysteriously had my birthday. Then my high school, college and work. Then pictures of me started showing up. I left the account up to see how much they could collect about me. It was a ton, and all passive.



Facebook makes smart people stupid.

It’s malware & data collection.
As is TikTok

 

[AtLarge]

I don't see the video(s) on Facebook for Jayson's final 13-hour session, which included the 508. Any idea why? Am I just not finding it/them?

 

[7stud]

I don't see the video(s) on Facebook for Jayson's final 13-hour session, which included the 508. Any idea why? Am I just not finding it/them?

The 508 is in here:

Facebook

www.facebook.com

And there is more Day 4 footage here:

Discover Popular Videos | Facebook

Video is the place to enjoy videos and shows together. Watch the latest reels, discover original shows and catch up with your favorite creators.

www.facebook.com

 

[7stud]

At 5:10:09 -- seconds before the miss that ended the 508, Jayson made exactly the right instinctive decision: he shot the 8-ball with near-perfect english hoping to strike the 10-ball, bumping it loose and away from its problematic location (glued to the rail and much too close to the side pocket). Unfortunately the CB's path was a few inches short of hitting the 10-ball. Any pro would have wanted to address that 10-ball problem at the first opportunity. Jayson commendably did so, IMO.
______________________________________________________

Jayson still had many balls on the table after failing to knock the 10-ball off the rail with the leave on the 8-ball. Why not set up another attempt at knocking the 10-ball off the rail? I think Jayson has so much confidence in his shot making that he just went for the difficult shot without too much hesitation. After he missed the 10-ball, he set up the shot again...this time hitting the 10-ball towards the opposite corner pocket. He slow rolled the 10-ball along the rail, and although it too drifted wide, it dropped into the pocket.

 

[AtLarge]

The 508 is in here:

Facebook

www.facebook.com

And there is more Day 4 footage here:

Discover Popular Videos | Facebook

Video is the place to enjoy videos and shows together. Watch the latest reels, discover original shows and catch up with your favorite creators.

www.facebook.com

Thanks, that first link is to the 8-hour session that started at about midnight Thursday and includes the 508. I don't know why it is not showing up for me on The Legends of Pocket Billiards page on Facebook. Interesting that soon after the 508 he ran a 277.

The 508 took 2 hours, 5½ minutes, for 4.05 balls per minute.

The second video link is not for Day 4, it is for the first session of Day 1 (at least that is what the link connected me to) of length 4:17, same as another video from that session of length 4:03.

So there is more of Day4+ somewhere.

 

[7stud]

The second video link is not for Day 4, it is for the first session of Day 1

But, if you scroll down there is a heading that says "All videos", where you will find 4 or 5 videos for Day 4.

 

[AtLarge]

But, if you scroll down there is a heading that says "All videos", where you will find 4 or 5 videos for Day 4.

Ah, thank you; pardon my Facebook incompetence.

 

[AtLarge]

OK, I reviewed all of the Day 4 videos I could find, and I think I'm still missing the 4+ hours after the 8-hour video, i.e., his last few hours of attempts. The video of length 3:43 or so is before the 8-hour video.

I'm just trying to identify all of his 100+ runs over the course of the 4+ days, but it seems I'm still missing some video, plus I don't know whether Jayson was playing during the stream outage during his first session on Thursday. He had a 168 before the stream went down, but then I don't know (until the second session started in the evening -- the 3:43 video).

 

[ShootingArts]

OK, I reviewed all of the Day 4 videos I could find, and I think I'm still missing the 4+ hours after the 8-hour video, i.e., his last few hours of attempts. The video of length 3:43 or so is before the 8-hour video.

I'm just trying to identify all of his 100+ runs over the course of the 4+ days, but it seems I'm still missing some video, plus I don't know whether Jayson was playing during the stream outage during his first session on Thursday. He had a 168 before the stream went down, but then I don't know (until the second session started in the evening -- the 3:43 video).

Unless I am confused I think there is a post on here probably from Lou that Shaw had waited around awhile then got bored and started hitting some balls while the stream was down. Pretty sure that is how it was described, I don't know if it was attempts or some less serious table play. I think that was recorded in case something good happened so some of it must have been attempts.

Probably have to go to Lou or Bobby for the skinny on this time.

Hu

 

[Woodshaft]

Jayson has been a superstar in pool for a long time and I'm a big fan of his, but he was never the best and any suggestion that he ever dominated pool is, quite simply, misinformed.

I agree Stu, which is why I believe he is trying to become the best in a pool game seldom pursued by this generation's pros.
Jayson loves the spotlight and, since he hasn't been getting as much of it lately, he's turned to the niche game of 14.1.
It's a "don't forget how good I am" promo, and I wish him all the best. I hope he hits 800!

 

[lfigueroa]

Unless I am confused I think there is a post on here probably from Lou that Shaw had waited around awhile then got bored and started hitting some balls while the stream was down. Pretty sure that is how it was described, I don't know if it was attempts or some less serious table play. I think that was recorded in case something good happened so some of it must have been attempts.

Probably have to go to Lou or Bobby for the skinny on this time.

Hu

Yes, that's when he ran a 168 -- so there's a period in there we were waiting on the cable company for about an hour and Jayson just said screw it in the knowledge we were still recording.

Lou Figueroa

 

[middleofnowhere]

Bf think he is done for this go around but will probably be back again later in the year.

Eore the 508

And yes, 508.

Lou Figueroa

Jayson still had many balls on the table after failing to knock the 10-ball off the rail with the leave on the 8-ball. Why not set up another attempt at knocking the 10-ball off the rail? I think Jayson has so much confidence in his shot making that he just went for the difficult shot without too much hesitation. After he missed the 10-ball, he set up the shot again...this time hitting the 10-ball towards the opposite corner pocket. He slow rolled the 10-ball along the rail, and although it too drifted wide, it dropped into the pocket.

You can't really mince words, after he failed to get the ball off the rail I think he was annoyed and just shot a stupid shot. He was in and out of trouble numerous times It ultimately catches up.