Olhausen tables, used in any tournaments these days?

iusedtoberich said:
... Same with Brunswick. If they all of a sudden start sponsoring events like they did for 100 years, they'd be in the game again.
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Maybe like Rasson has done in less than 10 years? I suspect the business people at Brunswick saw no return on TV promotion after the various men's tour debacles in the US. I think Matchroom has changed that.

At one time Brunswick was the table sponsor for the Mosconi Cup. I suppose that was primarily for sales in Europe since in those days the MC got little or no TV coverage in the US -- even worse than today.
 
Jagr Fan said:
The "rattle" problem with Olhausen tables seems to be universally accepted.
So, does anyone know exactly why they choose to ignore the problem in manufacturing.
continuing to allow the pocket angles to produce such unacceptable results...??
There are no other table manufacturers whose pockets produce similar results...??
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I have no idea why they would ignore the problem. The tables are well made for furniture grade stuff and they actually play well once the pocket geometry is fixed. I'd guess it's ignorance or unwillingness to change.

I'd never buy a new olhausen because of the issue. I bought mine used and did a DIY fix on it, but if I were dropping cash on a new table, I'd never buy one with such circus pockets.
 
Jagr Fan said:
The "rattle" problem with Olhausen tables seems to be universally accepted.
So, does anyone know exactly why they choose to ignore the problem in manufacturing.
continuing to allow the pocket angles to produce such unacceptable results...??
There are no other table manufacturers whose pockets produce similar results...??
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I have had an Olhausen for thirty five years and like it fine. Very infrequent rattles but they do occur. I have never seen a definitive answer to the question of why Olhausens do what they do and the corollary question of why doesn't Olhausen change the facings and the angles if they are indeed the problem. My best guess is because the great Accu-Fast cushions are springier than most, the Olhausen facings and angles are different to try to help make good shots go in.

And the tight Diamond tables I play on at Big Shots in Woodstock Georgia hang up balls frequently in corner pockets in what I would describe as mini rattles. The balls that rub the cushion on the way in often go back and forth between the facings and stay right between them creating a hanger for later on in the game.

Bottom line is I have a delightful magical time playing on my Olhausen and also on every Diamond I have played on. And I never perceived an Olhausen rattle until I read about it on AZB. Maybe kind of like reading about erectile dysfunction or the yips in golf. Better not to know they exist.
 
Logandgriff said:
I have had an Olhausen for thirty five years and like it fine. Very infrequent rattles but they do occur. I have never seen a definitive answer to the question of why Olhausens do what they do and the corollary question of why doesn't Olhausen change the facings and the angles if they are indeed the problem. My best guess is because the great Accu-Fast cushions are springier than most, the Olhausen facings and angles are different to try to help make good shots go in.

And the tight Diamond tables I play on at Big Shots in Woodstock Georgia hang up balls frequently in corner pockets in what I would describe as mini rattles. The balls that rub the cushion on the way in often go back and forth between the facings and stay right between them creating a hanger for later on in the game.

Bottom line is I have a delightful magical time playing on my Olhausen and also on every Diamond I have played on. And I never perceived an Olhausen rattle until I read about it on AZB. Maybe kind of like reading about erectile dysfunction or the yips in golf. Better not to know they exist.
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PS Dr. Dave has the Olhausen that Robert Bryne used to have. Two pretty big names who own(ed) Olhausens.
 
telinoz said:
I recall seeing Olhausen tables used in a lot of big tournaments.
Now it is Diamond, Rasson and the new kid on the block Predator.
Brunswick still kicking around a bit, but not that prolific.

I just wanted to see what the AZers who are in the know have to say about Olhausen in tournaments and maybe shed some light on why they have dropped off the map and if you think they might come back one day.

I also know little about how they play and how easy they are to setup.
So, any information on that would be great as well.

Typical Olhausen I remember seeing on TV:
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For quite a long time now Olhausen’s niche / focus is home furniture model tables and they’ve chosen not to bother with trying to compete with Diamond or Brunswick on commercial model tables for pro tournaments or even for pool rooms.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Maybe like Rasson has done in less than 10 years? I suspect the business people at Brunswick saw no return on TV promotion after the various men's tour debacles in the US. I think Matchroom has changed that.

At one time Brunswick was the table sponsor for the Mosconi Cup. I suppose that was primarily for sales in Europe since in those days the MC got little or no TV coverage in the US -- even worse than today.
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Right, exactly. Rasson went from zero to a top contender in a few short years.

The only events I still see new GC's is the couple of Japanese majors each year. I bet they buy them cash, rather than have a promotion deal with Brunswick. Japan and Taiwan still consider Brunswick the top of the heap. When/if their mindset changes, they will switch to whichever other brand they will consider the best.

Edit: Diamond did the same. They went from zero to top in 10 years. The timing was perfect, as Brunswick was getting out at the same time. I think if Brunswick never stopped sponsoring the pros all these years, Diamond would have remained a niche table, and all the new rooms and home tables by serious players today would be GC's.
 
Back in late 2002 I went to a dealer in Indianapolis that handled Olhausen. I inquired about buying the Champion Pro table because I had seen it on the Challenge of the Champions in Uncasville, CT. I had mentioned how Oliver Ortmann had won the Challenge of the Champions and the salesman didn't even know who he was.

So I went over to Orner Billiards on the other side of town and bought a Gold Crown IV. At least they knew who Oliver Ortmann was.

r/DCP
 
maha said:
i dont know who he is either. and been around longer than most.
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Ortmann was a terror back in the middle 90's. Back then he played so well I thought he was a robot.
I believe he is a world champion, I think he still teaches the game in Germany.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Right, exactly. Rasson went from zero to a top contender in a few short years.

The only events I still see new GC's is the couple of Japanese majors each year. I bet they buy them cash, rather than have a promotion deal with Brunswick. Japan and Taiwan still consider Brunswick the top of the heap. When/if their mindset changes, they will switch to whichever other brand they will consider the best.

Edit: Diamond did the same. They went from zero to top in 10 years. The timing was perfect, as Brunswick was getting out at the same time. I think if Brunswick never stopped sponsoring the pros all these years, Diamond would have remained a niche table, and all the new rooms and home tables by serious players today would be GC's.
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Are they actually GC's ? I know some of the Asian tournaments I've seen lately look like they are using white GC's but hey aren't GC's just look alikes .
 
iusedtoberich said:
In Japan and Taiwan yes. They don’t buy knockoffs, only the best.
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Thanks I think someone said the white ones I was talking about seeing where Yalins or something like that which I think I saw is the same plant the GC's are made in.

I guess I was wrong they were Aileex tables made in Taiwan , basically a GC 5 clone
 
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there is a great number of regular and good pool players that dont follow who is winning tournaments or who is best at the moment. except for maybe the most sensationalized ones. and really dont care. i am one of them.
i do watch part some matches on you tube once in awhile.
 
Logandgriff said:
I have had an Olhausen for thirty five years and like it fine. Very infrequent rattles but they do occur. I have never seen a definitive answer to the question of why Olhausens do what they do and the corollary question of why doesn't Olhausen change the facings and the angles if they are indeed the problem. My best guess is because the great Accu-Fast cushions are springier than most, the Olhausen facings and angles are different to try to help make good shots go in.

And the tight Diamond tables I play on at Big Shots in Woodstock Georgia hang up balls frequently in corner pockets in what I would describe as mini rattles. The balls that rub the cushion on the way in often go back and forth between the facings and stay right between them creating a hanger for later on in the game.

Bottom line is I have a delightful magical time playing on my Olhausen and also on every Diamond I have played on. And I never perceived an Olhausen rattle until I read about it on AZB. Maybe kind of like reading about erectile dysfunction or the yips in golf. Better not to know they exist.
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True story... Thank you... Guy
 
telinoz said:
@dr_dave would love your input, when you have a moment.
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I like my Olhausen, especially the look. The only thing I don't like is my pocket setup. The corners look huge, but due to the facing angle and shelf depth, they easily spit out balls hit with any pace. For an example, see:


Some day, I would like to have the pockets recut to make the openings smaller with less facing angle. This might actually make the pockets play easier (but they will look harder).
 
dr_dave said:
I like my Olhausen, especially the look. The only thing I don't like is my pocket setup. The corners look huge, but due to the facing angle and shelf depth, they easily spit out balls hit with any pace. For an example, see:


Some day, I would like to have the pockets recut to make the openings smaller with less facing angle. This might actually make the pockets play easier (but they will look harder).
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Thanks mate, confirmed a few comments on here.

I wonder with all this feedback, why they just don't change their pocket design!

What are your thoughts on the table having too much vibration?
 
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