SJM at the 2023 Derby City Catastrophe
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I can't see the DCC moving out of the only part of the country in which bank pool is very popular (Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois) and in which one pocket is also very popular.
If they moved the event, I suspect they wouldn't move it far. Still, as much as I hate the Horseshoe, if they fix the many problems in the DCC events, they'll have a great event once again.
The reality, however, is that they probably turned their biggest ever profit this year given the field sizes, number of rounds and number of streamed matches. They did so by compromising the experience of attending fans, fans watching on stream and, worst of all, the players. There's a danger that the producers will take the view that there is no problem, which would imply a willingness to repeat the errors of 2023.
If they moved the event, I suspect they wouldn't move it far. Still, as much as I hate the Horseshoe, if they fix the many problems in the DCC events, they'll have a great event once again.
The reality, however, is that they probably turned their biggest ever profit this year given the field sizes, number of rounds and number of streamed matches. They did so by compromising the experience of attending fans, fans watching on stream and, worst of all, the players. There's a danger that the producers will take the view that there is no problem, which would imply a willingness to repeat the errors of 2023.
Something I wish I'd written is an apology. When I left the tournament room to go to my hotel and pack my bags to be ready for my car service a few hours later, I intended to return, but when I finished packing, I thought it wise to opt for a few hours of sleep, a decision I don't regret. What I regret is my failure to say goodbye to some friends. I also must add that I let down a few with whom I'd promised to sweat a match. They know who they are, and I'm sorry.
it isn't the fault of the promoters if the casino has faults. that's on them.
but they can anticipate the problems and at least do something to mitigate them or correct them, and that is on them. if they just sit on their ass and say well we make good money anyway that will kill off the derby in time.
or have another entity put something better on top of them.
what greg needs to do is come on the site here and field questions with good answers. or have a rep. do it for him.
this way he can get suggestions from the people that were there, what is needed for their return business.
it does not have to be adversarial although there is always some of that and that goes with business.
but they can anticipate the problems and at least do something to mitigate them or correct them, and that is on them. if they just sit on their ass and say well we make good money anyway that will kill off the derby in time.
or have another entity put something better on top of them.
what greg needs to do is come on the site here and field questions with good answers. or have a rep. do it for him.
this way he can get suggestions from the people that were there, what is needed for their return business.
it does not have to be adversarial although there is always some of that and that goes with business.
Overall, the Derby is a great event and format is awesome. Let's not forget that. What other sport can you pay a small entry fee and play with the best in the world? As said above, only Horseshoe can fix some of the complains here. That's on them. As far as growing the event, that is great as long as it is managed efficiently. This year it wasn't and spiraled out of hand. Mistakes happen, we get that. Greg should know and respond to some of the criticisms here and provide a better game plan for next year. Communication is key. An apology and acknowledgment of the situation would go a long way. We can accept that if it is addressed and handled better in the future. I don't have all of the answers, but as I said before they need a contingency plan. We want to see the best at their best when we get to the finals. We all deserve better.
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Health issues exist with Greg Sullivan per his daughter's. He is slowing down and passing the battan to them.
To my knowledge? They never engage with the pool community and I have never seen any of them engage on azbilliards.
Stu is a top customer in my opinion and his opinion and feelings matter. It will be interesting to see if his plea for a better Derby City Classic falls on deaf ears?
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I guess this is the place for all of our complaints.
I don't mind the no jump cues rule BUT it's a very inequitable rule since the players that aren't playing with low-deflection shafts have a considerable advantage when it comes to jumping balls. I can't jump the ball a hair with my Predator shafts, nor would I want to as I'm afraid it may crack the ferrule. For this reason, you should be allowed to jump with your full-length break cue.
I know this won't change, but I want the record to reflect this
I don't mind the no jump cues rule BUT it's a very inequitable rule since the players that aren't playing with low-deflection shafts have a considerable advantage when it comes to jumping balls. I can't jump the ball a hair with my Predator shafts, nor would I want to as I'm afraid it may crack the ferrule. For this reason, you should be allowed to jump with your full-length break cue.
I know this won't change, but I want the record to reflect this
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They are just as bad. I know two gals from St.Louis area went and we’re already signed up. One was under 21 and was not allowed to play even though there was no age mentioned on flyer.
Gorst was #2 Fargo for some time even before DCC.
The benchmark for "best player" in other sports (like tennis, golf, snooker) is performance in majors. NOT rankings not ratings, not prizemoney won, not money game races to 100000 won
And Gorst performance in majors has been lacklustre. He has not won a major since his 2019 World 9 Ball win and his best performance was just semifinal finish in International Open last year. Sure he has not played the majors in Europe but he has played a lot of majors total 6 majors past 2 years (International Open x2, US Openx2, World 8 ballx1, World 9 ballx1).
He is 22 now . At same age, Filler won 3 majors already.
Gorst is arguably the best all round player now but in the pool universe, the majors are in 8B/9B/10B which have the strongest monster fields 128 of best players in world, at least 20 Fargorate 800+ players. It follows that the best player is the best performer in majors. Last year that was FSR. People always forget the other guy Albin who was the best player of past 2 years.
This year my guess is Albin or Filler cos they are big match players with extreme self belief/self confidence and are better closers than Gorst.
its very subjective who might be the best player considering all the different games. as well as defining the conditions of the ratings.
generally throughout history the best in the world was the guy that stood up at the tournaments and said i will play anyone for any amount.
no takers, and he most likely was judged by his peers as the best.
generally throughout history the best in the world was the guy that stood up at the tournaments and said i will play anyone for any amount.
no takers, and he most likely was judged by his peers as the best.
Yours, as always, is a well-reasoned post, but in 2020, the majors weren't even played because of COVID and in 2022, Gorst had to skip most of the majors because of the WPA Russian ban, which kept him out of the World 10-ball, the WPC, the UK Open, the European Open and the World Games (which is arguably more important than any major other than the WPC). Fedor's performance at the International Open was breathtaking, with a bronze in the 9-ball and a gold in the 10-ball, in which he beat four members of the European Mosconi team in succession. Bemoaning his lack of majors in the last three years is, in my view, unfair.Gorst was #2 Fargo for some time even before DCC.
The benchmark for "best player" in other sports (like tennis, golf, snooker) is performance in majors. NOT rankings not ratings, not prizemoney won, not money game races to 100000 won
And Gorst performance in majors has been lacklustre. He has not won a major since his 2019 World 9 Ball win and his best performance was just semifinal finish in International Open last year. Sure he has not played the majors in Europe but he has played a lot of majors total 6 majors past 2 years (International Open x2, US Openx2, World 8 ballx1, World 9 ballx1).
He is 22 now . At same age, Filler won 3 majors already.
Gorst is arguably the best all round player now but in the pool universe, the majors are in 8B/9B/10B which have the strongest monster fields 128 of best players in world, at least 20 Fargorate 800+ players. It follows that the best player is the best performer in majors. Last year that was FSR. People always forget the other guy Albin who was the best player of past 2 years.
This year my guess is Albin or Filler cos they are big match players with extreme self belief/self confidence and are better closers than Gorst.
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Finally, if you asked me whether it was harder to win the US Open 9ball or the Master of the Table at Derby City, I'd really have to think about it for a while. His two consecutive Masters of the Table at Derby City put him in very rarefied air, as the only others that have ever accomplished the feat are Efren Reyes, Shane Van Boening and Alex Pagulayan, three of the greatest players that ever lived.
Fedor is a very special player and no player in the world can spot him in any game played on a pool table. I cannot say the same of any other player but Filler.
Fedor and Filler are the best players to come along in our sport in the last fifteen years. Best to enjoy watching them do their thing and thank the pool gods for the opportunity to do so.
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1,000% correct.
I'd call that an understatement. It's easy to understand why the elite must play on tough equipment, but there are probably 250 players with a Fargo of less than 600 in every event and putting them on this kind of equipment, often against each other, slows things down to a crawl.
Looking forward to it.
Pool players live on abuse, it takes a full blown masochist to make it past the 2nd visit to the pool room. They are better survivors than anything else on the planet, including cucarachas. Show me a guy who makes his living playing pool and I will bet he can sleep standing up, eat Mc Donalds for a hundred days in a row and can still run out , no matter what illness or injury he has sustained. Plus they are never broke, just momentarily out of funds until they can put the bite on someone. Most of the players at Derby only sleep once every 2 or 3 days anyway.
Don't show them any sympathy, or they will all want to move in with you.
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Greg/DiamondGreg/Diamond thanks to all who participated in the 2023 Derby City Classic, whether as players, fans watching on the stream, or spectators in attendance. While I am delighted to have completed another Derby City Classic, I cannot ignore some of the negative feedback I’ve been...
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