Recent match statistics do not bear out that it's easier to string racks in nine ball than ten ball. It's about the same for the most elite players.
World 10-ball
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I’l just repeat what I said earlier, since you basically did the same and seem to not have noticed my response:
Tell a casual pool player a pro player is a world champion, and they’ll recognize it. Tell a casual pool player a pro player is the Bigfoot champ, and they’ll ask WTH that means. Everybody wants the title of world champion.
madmartigan
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Filler takes down Ko 10-3
Nothing like a good reason to the guy with the jones.
All things being equal, stringing racks is a function of the break and the myriad of variables. Just a general look at the difference between 9 and 10 break results tell me the out patterns are easier in 10 ball than 9 ball. There seems to be more easy connectivity in 10 ball by virtue of the close ball spacing; often a convenient grid of 2 foot ball spacings. I'd even venture that the technical aspect of a 10 ball out is less critical than the same layout in straight pool.
More when I figure out how <champ> works.
Woodshaft
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Sorry Stu, gonna respectfully disagree with you on this one.
One, from 40 years of experience playing, 9-ball is flat out easier to break & run, at any level.
Two, if 9 and 10 ball were equally easy to run out, beating "the ghost" would be equal. They are about 50 fargo points apart in difficultly in my experience.
Three, slop counts in 9-ball, leading to more "2-way" OFFENSIVE shots (slop) attempts and makes.
Four, it's easier to get a successful (and controlled) break in 9-ball.
I could go on, but I'm tired lol.
The 10-ball at this World Championship has separated the contenders from the pretenders very well. Excellent safety play, kicking, and jumping are all required at the highest level to make the final 4 in this tourney, not many wide open racks to run (because of the sh!tty Aero racking done by crappy racking refs). The tables are horribly slow too, you've got to have a great and accurate power stroke for sure.
ALL of the top elements of billiards skill are needed to win this brutal championship, and the final 4 young men have them.
madmartigan
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I didn’t hear his commentary, was it bad? I had him figured as maybe high 500s based on video I’ve seen.
BlueRaider
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Fedor said that when someone asked him about playing with Joe at his podcast studio. I believe Joe broke and ran the first rack when they played before the podcast.
I heard Fedor said he wasn’t a very strong player, which would make sense because the dude probably doesn’t have time to play much.
Joes commentary is fun to listen to because I love hearing him talk. But the shots he was calling and the verbiage he used made me think he’s maybe a mid-500 player at best.
BlueRaider
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No, Fedor said Joe was a lot better than he expected him to be. I guess it depends on your definition of strong. A celebrity with a million other things going on who can break and run even 1 game of 9 ball on a table with 4 1/8" pockets, while playing a world champion, is pretty good.
I think at his peak Joe was probably 650ish and now is maybe 575-600ish.
CanadianGuy
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as a huge mma fan for decades, it was surreal listening to Joe whom many (myself included) credit with
assisting the UFC significantly during their earlier years , on the eve of tonights huge title fight no less
brought me back to the 90s for a moment
go Joe! and go Jon Jones!!!
assisting the UFC significantly during their earlier years , on the eve of tonights huge title fight no less
brought me back to the 90s for a moment
go Joe! and go Jon Jones!!!
You and I heard different things.
Of course, I know where you're coming from and your post is well reasoned, but ...
The World 10-ball tournament has proven nothing as far as its ability to weed out the worthy. A year ago in this same event with the exact same format, Szewczyk (who won just over $30,000 at nine ball in 2022) played Tevez (who won just over $2,000 at nine-ball in 2022) in in the final. One could just as easily argue that the 2022 event proved that this event doesn't consistently weed out the most capable.
Not really a matter of opinion here on statistics. This is all about the change in nine ball break rules. In major nine ball tournament play, the break rule, implemented in August 2022, is presently one on the spot and break from the box and very few are stringing racks under these rules. The corner ball is no longer wired in Matchroom tournaments. The success rate on break and run is very similar to ten-ball.
Of course, you are 100% correct in saying that if it's break from anywhere in the kitchen and one ball on the spot, the nine-ball runout rate will be consistently higher that what is found in ten-ball.
The ghost is irrelevant. A game in which you need not make a ball to keep shooting and in which you get ball in hand has little to do with tournament play. Yes, in a gag practice game like the ghost, if you add a ball, the runout is harder, but taking the break and tactical play out of the game means you're not playing real pool.
His voice and tempo and attitude etc. are great. His analysis definitely puts his level of play into question. I agree all day I’d rather have him than many others.
I agree. Just watched the 32 minutes video of Joe commenting. A pro behind the microphone, and very knowledgeable about the game.
No comment from me on his playing ability...
And much better than George T. I listen to him and wonder what it's like to be wrong EVERY time.