rodney morris v greg hogue, 9-ball 10k match

fjk said:
Just going by the numbers, yes, the estimate was right on. Please keep in mind though, this is one single data point. I have little doubt that I could pull up score history from hundreds of matches that would show zero correlation with Fargo ratings and predicting wins (racks or matches).

I'm not implying Fargo is not a good rating system. To the contrary, it's difficult to argue with their methodology. And even if you don't understand the math or probability stuff, if you look at the rankings as a whole, it definitely passes the sniff test. Personally, I believe having a mathematically based ranking system has been a great addition to help promoting the game and driving fan interest. Bravo to them.

Anyway, just some friendly advice to remind everyone that Fargo is correct over time and large data sets. You could go broke betting your bankroll using Fargo on one or even a few matches.
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Agree 100%
 
gypsy_soul said:
What’s your Fargo sir ? I’m a 685 !!!
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There is only one Fargo: Sir, You Have No Call To Get Snippy With Me
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skogstokig said:
i can't answer this but did you pick 1996 randomly? he won the US open that year, beating efren quite convincingly
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As I remember it, Rodney was top ten but not top five on the Professional Billiards Tour back then, with guys like CJ Wiley, Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, Jose Parica and Francisco Bustamante a bit stronger. At the time, CJ Wiley was ranked #1.

Of course, Rodney outplayed them all in 1996!
 
sjm said:
As I remember it, Rodney was top ten but not top five on the Professional Billiards Tour back then, with guys like CJ Wiley, Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, Jose Parica and Francisco Bustamante a bit stronger. At the time, CJ Wiley was ranked #1.

Of course, Rodney outplayed them all in 1996!
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Wiley was never #1 on the PBT. He was ranked in the top 10 at year-end several times (highest 4th, best I can determine), and made the finals of their tournaments a few times, but never won one. Then he left the PBT and was a founder of the Professional CueSports Association, where he did win their first event (the one where Strickland won the million dollars). He also won a 16-player invitational ESPN event (paying big money) that same year, so P&B Magazine decided to name two 1996 male Players of the Year -- Archer from the PBT and Wiley from the PCA.
 
AtLarge said:
Wiley was never #1 on the PBT. He was ranked in the top 10 at year-end several times (highest 4th, best I can determine), and made the finals of their tournaments a few times, but never won one. Then he left the PBT and was a founder of the Professional CueSports Association, where he did win their first event (the one where Strickland won the million dollars). He also won a 16-player invitational ESPN event (paying big money) that same year, so P&B Magazine decided to name two 1996 male Players of the Year -- Archer from the PBT and Wiley from the PCA.
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I went to many PBT events and remember CJ being #1 on PBT at one point, maybe not at the start or end of a season. Still, if you're sure he wasn't, I'll defer to your research. It was a few years before CJ broke away to form the PCA. I'll see Tony Robles, who played on the PBT back then, at the US Open, so I can ask him about this.
 
sjm said:
I went to many PBT events and remember CJ being #1 on PBT at one point, maybe not at the start or end of a season. Still, if you're sure he wasn't, I'll defer to your research. It was a few years before CJ broke away to form the PCA. I'll see Tony Robles, who played on the PBT back then, at the US Open, so I can ask him about this.
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Yes, my comments related to Wiley's standing at the end of each of the years of the PBT -- never higher than 4th. But even if there was a point in time when he was temporarily at the top of the list during one of the years, it's not really fair to mention Archer, Strickland, Reyes, Parica, and Bustamante and then say "At the time, CJ Wiley was ranked #1." That could be read to mean that Wiley was the top-ranked player of the PBT era, and I'm pretty sure you don't believe that.
 
AtLarge said:
Yes, my comments related to Wiley's standing at the end of each of the years of the PBT -- never higher than 4th. But even if there was a point in time when he was temporarily at the top of the list during one of the years, it's not really fair to mention Archer, Strickland, Reyes, Parica, and Bustamante and then say "At the time, CJ Wiley was ranked #1." That could be read to mean that Wiley was the top-ranked player of the PBT era, and I'm pretty sure you don't believe that.
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There was a period of time where CJ was beating everyone. In tournaments and gambling. I know he was matching up with Efren quite a bit and definitely got the best of him. His career may not have had the longevity of the others you mentioned, but I don't think it's out-of-line to say he would have been a legitimate #1 for a while.
 
AtLarge said:
Yes, my comments related to Wiley's standing at the end of each of the years of the PBT -- never higher than 4th. But even if there was a point in time when he was temporarily at the top of the list during one of the years, it's not really fair to mention Archer, Strickland, Reyes, Parica, and Bustamante and then say "At the time, CJ Wiley was ranked #1." That could be read to mean that Wiley was the top-ranked player of the PBT era, and I'm pretty sure you don't believe that.
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No, I don't. Archer, who would go on to be named player of the 1990s, was probably the guy to beat back then.
 
fjk said:
There was a period of time where CJ was beating everyone. In tournaments and gambling. I know he was matching up with Efren quite a bit and definitely got the best of him. His career may not have had the longevity of the others you mentioned, but I don't think it's out-of-line to say he would have been a legitimate #1 for a while.
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CJ was never the best player in the world. For starters, at no point did CJ play better than Jose Parica.
 
alphadog said:
Huh ? I heard he used to follow Parica around.
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You heard wrong. It was Efren who he followed around. Efren had a weak break that made him vulnerable.

As Jay Helfert and I have both posted, there was nobody that chased Parica around back then. He was the best money player in the 1990s.
 
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