I agree, i watch it every year, hoping to see a real contest.this one, was so one sided, thats why we saw more antics than usual. The last two America won, seem so far away now. thought with fedor this year, thay had a real chance.
MOSCONI CUP 2023 AZB Watch Party / Master Thread
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9 foot tables...
It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Or
It's the chicken and egg scenario.
Is our lack of 9 foot tables hurting our professional ranks? I actually don't think so. I think it's actually the other way around. US players by and large have just seen the light and they recognize the game for what it is -- a fun hobby. The players have left their professional pursuits and rooms have just followed course -- and switched to bar tables.
People here constantly give Mike Dechaine and Justin Bergman a hard time, simply because they both understand basic math. As fans we are excited about what's going on with professional pool, especially with what Matchroom is doing. But -- even if all of MR's dreams come to fruition, how many players globally are going to be able to make a living at this game? There's only a handful of snooker players doing all that well.
I don't know...I guess I'm selfish and I just don't care about the state of the professional game in the US anymore, especially since the amateur game is thriving. I'm perfectly content watching the Asians, Europeans, and only the occasional US player.
The ship has sailed, the game is now global, and I'm fine with that.
At the Mosconi SVB has a better record of being on a losing team.
Statistically SVB would be rated at the bottom end for Top Mosconi finishes and wins.
Allison Fisher working with Jenn Barretta, well thats Snooker and American Pool.
Its exactly what the Mosconi is missing and has been missing and has never had. Maybe its why Mosconi never took off because the sleight Barry gave Allison, forcing her to be promoted and endorsed elsewhere.
What do they say about British men and money? Its not often a Top Pro gives a promoter a second look or chance. Allison is a lot more than just a top pro but Barry never saw it, why would he see it now?
Its better to work with Asians.
Statistically SVB would be rated at the bottom end for Top Mosconi finishes and wins.
Allison Fisher working with Jenn Barretta, well thats Snooker and American Pool.
Its exactly what the Mosconi is missing and has been missing and has never had. Maybe its why Mosconi never took off because the sleight Barry gave Allison, forcing her to be promoted and endorsed elsewhere.
What do they say about British men and money? Its not often a Top Pro gives a promoter a second look or chance. Allison is a lot more than just a top pro but Barry never saw it, why would he see it now?
Its better to work with Asians.
Normally when people are misinformed, they STFU and pay attention.
SVB’s record is in the mid 40%, which is far from
the bottom.
Allison unfortunately was winless in her sole Mosconi appearance losing in her singles match and both doubles matches.
Barry did not sleight her or the women. This idea that he “never saw it” is silly. He brought them in at the height of the WPBA.
That was before he had Emily and Emily figured out promoting the sport.
He needs the right women, he has all the wrong boys. He needs women to grow the sport, not SVB losing with a bunch of mutant teenagers that don't last more than 1 year.
In central tendency, there is average and below average.
SVB in the tournament of Barry's Champions is below average and has been for a number of years, its statistically repeating now.
You know, I wish there was a feature to auto-ban a user here if they’re put on Ignore by, say, 10 or 15 other users. Or that mods would use that as a signal at least.
What is it about pool forums that brings out the wackos? I also participate in golf and car forums, and those are nowhere near this bad.
What is it about pool forums that brings out the wackos? I also participate in golf and car forums, and those are nowhere near this bad.
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Simping has never gotten anyone laid in recorded history..............
Hey, one never knows. Team Europe won 11-3 and 11-4 in 2016 and 2017 then lost the next two years. Team USA won 12-1 in 2001 then lost the next year.
with justin bergman, iirc. he would make a big difference.
In other words you were wrong and clueless. No surprise to anyone else, but just maybe
It would trigger something in that cranial cavity of yours that at least two cylinders aren’t firing.
Its pool forum entertainment
Quickly looking at the 'world snooker rankings'... At the bottom of the heap of 2 handfuls is Ali Carter with a 2023 total of: $492k/usd.
To prove the point. Lets jump all the way down to #50 on that list, and we find Elliot Slessor. With a meager year of only: $126k/usd
I know "making a living" is a subjective opinion, but I'd be high on the hog if I pulled in $126k/usd
The snooker rankings are a rolling two-year total of prizes won in ranking events. There is also a one-year list. I don't know of any list that includes non-ranking events.
I honestly haven't looked at any of the lists. I'm just basing it on what I've heard in interviews with players over the past few years. Even Barry Hearn has made comments about how he likes the top-heavy pay scales.
The road to riches for pool players doesn't look quite as clear to me.
Yes. I ,as the earlier poster did , used the ignore function for the first time with him. Maybe also there could be a function that also ignores anybody’s reply to him. I have ignored him but still get a lot of posts that have people replying to his drivel!
i don't know if he likes top heavy payouts but he has long been an opponent of show up money or guaranteed minimum income for tour players. he's not running snooker anymore though, so since some year back the 128 tour players now have a guaranteed minimum income of 20k GBP.
whether that approach is right or wrong could be argued. i think the minimum income makes some sense, travel costs are tougher on those not in the winner's circle. this is even more true in pool.
Allison doesnt get paid because under qualified men take up space on a losing Team USA. In a competition where Emily is at her wits end trying to show Barry how outdated male only competitions are.
Allison is the best and he pays for men that haven't even proven themselves over a decade. Its a strange sense of care that British men have.
Find best female champion then under pay her until she is ready to be low balled. While paying mediocre male players to lose.
Talk about double dipping.
Allison is the best and he pays for men that haven't even proven themselves over a decade. Its a strange sense of care that British men have.
Find best female champion then under pay her until she is ready to be low balled. While paying mediocre male players to lose.
Talk about double dipping.
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To add insult to injury, the format didn't do any favor in terms of generating some momentum switch. It felt a few times as if the US had a nice rack, only to give the break back to the euros, who then almost always responded well. Short races and alternate breaks have that effect. Not saying they should change. Short races and mosconi cup go together and winner break for those guys in races to 5 would be crazy. But it made it harder and harder to come back for the US, the longer the event was going.
I would love to know what the typical travel expenses are for those that don't have lucrative sponsorship deals...
A couple of thoughts about this year's MC:
-I was hoping Fedor would take some pressure off of SVB and allow him to play looser. Didn't seem that way, and Fedor looked tight as well. IMO, Sky continues to be our best at this format. The (hopefully) next captain should ride that horse into the ground.
- I don't think JJ has the ability to get this turned around. I think he has the knowledge, I think he truly wants to, I just think you have to look at the product he has put out there. Time to give someone else a shot.
- I get Shaw is trying to engage the crowd and grow his "personality", but some of his (and Filler's) antics were way over the top and immature. The other Euro's were celebrating and having fun and NOT making fools of themselves. IMO, you never want to show up your opponent, it may come back to bite you in the ass one day.
- Barry Hearn Laid down the gauntlet in his rambling pre- match press conference. He believes in order for the Americans to again become competitive, they are going to have to suck it up and travel to Europe and Asia to play in their ranking tournaments and the Euro tour events. It's going to take more than the same 4 or 5 doing it though. International travel might be hard to justify when they can stay local and play in the Greater Kenosha Invitational Open or some such regional tourney and win a few thousand not counting the calcutta.
-MR is pushing their Asian growth, but make no mistake, they are not going to forget the lucrative US market. In fact, MR boxing just opened up a gym in LA. MR boxing is the golden goose, and finances much of their secondary sports, if my memory serves.
Matchroom Expands US Presence With Gym, Churchill Boxing Club Partnership
Full article Link- On to next year! Our plan is working and We got 'em right where we want 'em!
If Albin looked like he was having fun with Jayson and Joshua celebrating like good little boys then Id have problems.
Albin did not look like he likes acting like Jayson and Joshua. I hope he knows thats a good thing.
Albin is related to an older pro, the standard for him is higher.
Albin did not look like he likes acting like Jayson and Joshua. I hope he knows thats a good thing.
Albin is related to an older pro, the standard for him is higher.