The Impossible One Railer

so far in the thread:

* suggestions that a different shot can be made (i.e. not on third diamond)
* videos of a different shot being made
* mika doing push-ups
* anecdotes of how some old timer regularly made the shot
* bet you this bet you that

i'm still sceptical. third diamond is a different proposition altogether than second or 2.5 diamond
 
Here is a link to Alex's shot. (I hope it works)... He played it with a double kiss.


Bill's shots above were a true one rail bank. You can clearly see the difference between Bill's shot and Alex's.

I'd give any pro alive 25 attempts to make the exact shot in the first post, using bank pool rules, and no cheating with chalk on the balls/rails/etc.
 
With the angle shown in the diagram in the original post, it is definitely doable on most tables since it's like a 75-80 degree cut required, just requires a huge amount of power and some right spin.
 
so far in the thread:

* suggestions that a different shot can be made (i.e. not on third diamond)
* videos of a different shot being made
* mika doing push-ups
* anecdotes of how some old timer regularly made the shot
* bet you this bet you that

i'm still sceptical. third diamond is a different proposition altogether than second or 2.5 diamond
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He played it with a double kiss.
Looks like a thin cut to me, from the speed and the rebound angle of the CB off the rail.

Here are the two nearest frames from the video:

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A pool player stated to me that this shot can be one railed to the same pocket where the cue ball is placed in the corner pocket … He stated he saw a guy do it like it was nothing …. I told him the shot was impossible… Please let me know your thoughts ….
The first time I saw the shot made I almost fell out of my chair, Rudolpho Luat made it. the cueball was on the same line but not in the pocket
Oh , by the way, he was playing in a tournament against another top player if I remember correctly. I looked on You Tube and JB posted a shot like it , it is not the same shot Luat played, Luat's shot did not look like he double kissed it in . He hit it paper thin at warp speed. and he killed the cueball with inside . It was a very weird looking shot.
 
The professionals know to go as a group and compete individually.

Its not a secret, its standard practice.

Does billiards want private commercial sponsors or public government teams?
 
Quite a bit less (pic below). Your famous 90+° cut shot (the dotted lines) is way more impressive.

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The Bank is Far More difficult than the cut shot! For the simple reason the OB is frozen to the cushion and can't be 'thrown' with 'Outside English. But the OB can be 'Pinched' into the rail with 'Inside' English the way I demonstrate.

Plus, the OB in the cut shot is Way closer to the pocket.
 
Off the second diamond the shot is very doable. The third diamond I’m not so certain. Will give it a go next time I am on the big table.
 
Alex's shot took me 9 tries. I think I had the 9-ball closer to 2.5 diamonds than Alex did, at around 2.4 diamonds. His looked like 2 and 1/3 diamonds. Had a couple misses by 2" long that still reached the pocket, so it's definitely doable at 2.5 or maybe 2.75 diamonds, maybe even 3 with the perfect strike.

Thin cut, low right, and hard:

 
I was railbirding a match on a barbox where a shot very similar to this came up. I said trying the bank on the 8 in this spot could work. A friend of mine took a pic of the balls and said if i can make the shot she will give me $50. I fluked it first try but the loose cb found a pocket too so we called it a push on the generous freeroll.
It def looks impossible enough to offer up a freeroll chance for $50 bit I think even on a 9 footer it is doable.
 
Alex's shot took me 9 tries. I think I had the 9-ball closer to 2.5 diamonds than Alex did, at around 2.4 diamonds. His looked like 2 and 1/3 diamonds. Had a couple misses by 2" long that still reached the pocket, so it's definitely doable at 2.5 or maybe 2.75 diamonds, maybe even 3 with the perfect strike.

Thin cut, low right, and hard:

Nice shot! I'm going to go try it now, but from the second diamond, because I stink:)

Do you still think Alex's was not a double kiss after shooting yours? I think yours was 1 rail normal, and Alex was double kiss. Look how his CB flew off of the OB in a different direction than your CB.
 
Nice shot! I'm going to go try it now, but from the second diamond, because I stink:)

Do you still think Alex's was not a double kiss after shooting yours? I think yours was 1 rail normal, and Alex was double kiss. Look how his CB flew off of the OB in a different direction than your CB.
Thanks. I'm pretty sure Alex's was just a thin cut, like mine. Those still frames show it on a thin cut line, and his CB took nearly the same bank path as mine, just hit about a half diamond shorter on the opposite long rail.

Not sure if he used low right, but that's what worked best for me. Low helps the CB hit the opposite long rail first, right helps reduce cut-induced throw/spin on the OB. I had a few where the CB stayed up in the kitchen, also, like he was talking about.

I'm not even sure how a double kiss would work on this shot, especially at the speeds we shot it at. Hitting the OB right of center at that speed, the CB is going to drive the OB into the rail and be long gone after the first strike.
 
Alex's shot took me 9 tries. I think I had the 9-ball closer to 2.5 diamonds than Alex did, at around 2.4 diamonds. His looked like 2 and 1/3 diamonds. Had a couple misses by 2" long that still reached the pocket, so it's definitely doable at 2.5 or maybe 2.75 diamonds, maybe even 3 with the perfect strike.

Thin cut, low right, and hard:

Having the CB in the pocket is a whole other animal.
 
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