What a tool!!!

if there was a ref there would he call it on her. if he wouldnt, would he call it on others and why?

and isnt the opponent the ref when no one is there to be it. and should he call what a real ref would be required to call, or call what he may
choose to call?

does a ref. have the option to call rules on some people in a tournament and not others because of personal choices or biases?
 
maha said:
if there was a ref there would he call it on her. if he wouldnt, would he call it on others and why?

and isnt the opponent the ref when no one is there to be it. and should he call what a real ref would be required to call, or call what he may
choose to call?

does a ref. have the option to call rules on some people in a tournament and not others because of personal choices or biases?
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I would have warned them before the match but if I was referee and my best friend violated a rule in the match it would get called. One that blatant would definitely be called. I have been an official in events with dozens of my friends in them. In the competitors' meeting everyone was warned that all rules will be enforced. After that, all competitors were treated the same. Few things worse than officials showing bias. A few may get hot at the time but everyone admits I made the right calls later.

I saw a man DQ the owner, the promoter, the tournament director, and a referee, in one fell swoop. The man was also a competitor and it was the right call!

Hu
 
A few things, and then I’ll not respond to this thread.

1. Savannah should have called the combo. She’s an aspiring professional, and I don’t ever remember a professional in that situation not call it. She knows the rules. The refs will call it if they didn’t hear the call (Mika vs De Luna)

2. As her opponent, I would never have called it. I would have said something on the down low to remember to call the shot as a ref will call it down the road. That said, Dang Huy flew in from Vietnam. No idea what he’s used to in Vietnam, but I know he’s expecting everyone to play by the rules, and he would expect someone to call him on infractions.

3. Dang Huy Hoang is better known as BloKid on AZBilliards. Nothing but a class guy to deal with when buying extensions from him. He didn’t create the situation, though his actions are something most of us wouldn’t have done.

4. Her parents were out of line.

I’ve had enough of this situation. I hope Savannah takes some responsibility, her people apologize for their out-of-line comments, and Dang apologizes for his error in judgement.

Putting this thread on ignore.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
At the end of the video, it seemed pretty clear to me that the man and the woman who made those statements were near the mic and both statements were directed to Hoang for having called that on Savannah, which ended up being the difference in the hill-hill match. I commend Savannah’s composure for the way she handled it.
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skogstokig said:
thanks for clearing
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Texas Carom Club said:
The man and woman heard speaking are her parents
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Wow what great role models. I’m not saying what the guy did was ok but rules are rules and better learned when you’re young because the pool world , bars , clubs , pool rooms are full of nits just like him 💯 . It was a missed learning opportunity by her parents to explain to her the rules of the ADULT TOURNAMENT AND A LIFE LESSON…… I’m trying to be nice about this , Rules are Rules !!!!!!
 
Cornerman said:
A few things, and then I’ll not respond to this thread.

1. Savanna should have called the combo. She’s an aspiring professional, and I don’t ever remember a professional in that situation not call it. She knows the rules. The refs will call it if they didn’t hear the call (Mika vs De Luna)

2. As her opponent, I would never have called it. I would have said something on the down low to remember to call the shot as a ref will call it down the road. That said, Dang Huy flew in from Vietnam. No idea what he’s used to in Vietnam, but I know he’s expecting everyone to play by the rules, and he would expect someone to call him on infractions.

3. Dan Huy Hoang is better known as BloKid on AZBilliards. Nothing but a class guy to deal with when buying extensions from him. He didn’t create the situation, though his actions are something most of us wouldn’t have done.

4. Her parents were out of line.

I’ve had enough of this situation. I hope Savannah takes some responsibility, her people apologize for their out-of-line comments, and Dang apologizes for his error in judgement.

Putting this thread on ignore.
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Well said sir . That’s what I was trying to say
 
Tadaimarlon said:
I know exactly what it feels like to be a child beating adults who have been playing for decades. I was 12 when I started winning against most of the adults in my town and I remember so many situations where adults tried to cheat or shark me just because they couldn't stand losing to a kid. It's probably even worse for Savannah because she's a girl. That said, I've never denied anyone a handshake and my dad, who has accompanied me to every tournament, has never had an outburst like the parents in the video have.

In my opinion, the player several decades older than her who was also winning 5-2 could have let this shot slide and made her aware of it later.
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I’m with you sir . Happy for y’all getting that time together, he raised you right 💯
 
sjm said:
Yes, they should get rid of call shot.
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I see a loose analogy to 14.1 in 10 ball. The outs have similar distribution and the major difficulty is finding and getting to the on ramp. My take is this pedantic-ness about 10 ball outs is the reason for calling pockets. How would 14.1 fare without call all? The formality is so ingrained, this seems like a stupid question yet there are countless situations in both games that leave no option as to intent regardless of technicalities - more so in rotation where _which ball_ is known. In the topic instance, _which pocket_ was inevitable.

I think the real technical was the stage mothering. Is this typical of junior winners??
Guy's an ahole but also, isn't SE in danger of becoming a brat? Is that ok?
 
straightline said:
I see a loose analogy to 14.1 in 10 ball. The outs have similar distribution and the major difficulty is finding and getting to the on ramp. My take is this pedantic-ness about 10 ball outs is the reason for calling pockets. How would 14.1 fare without call all? The formality is so ingrained, this seems like a stupid question yet there are countless situations in both games that leave no option as to intent regardless of technicalities - more so in rotation where _which ball_ is known. In the topic instance, _which pocket_ was inevitable.

I think the real technical was the stage mothering. Is this typical of junior winners??
Guy's an ahole but also, isn't SE in danger of becoming a brat? Is that ok?
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Sorry, but I'm hard pressed to think of any similarity between 10ball and 14.1.

The game of 10ball is most like is 9ball, which has been played without call shot at least since the 1970s. When the Pro Billiards Tour tried 10ball in the late 1990s for a couple of years, there was no call shot. The many who suggest that 10ball arose as a call shot game are simply uninformed.

There has never been a reason for call shot in 10ball.

The call shot feature, though necessary in 14.1, is part of what made straight pool a bad game for viewing, and virtually ensured that it would be replaced by something more viewer friendly once pool began to be shown on TV.
 
Bob Jewett said:
So ... Should CSI change its rules? Do the players have any responsibility to know the rules of the game?
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Unfortunately Bob, there seem to be many "rules" that have been made by the various "ruling" bodies that are ill conceived and in some cases unnecessary. I will agree with Stu that Ten Ball should not be call shot and that two way shots should be part of the game. It's real simple that way, but some people decided we need more rules. Good luck with that.

And what you see on this thread is the result of some ill advised rule making. Please don't tell me the rules are the rules and must be adhered to at all times. Just like we see in other professional sports, rules can and are often changed when it becomes obvious they are not in the best interest of the game. This is one of those times in pool, Ten Ball specifically.

There were many times over the years that I made judgement calls based on what I, as an official, thought was in the best interest of the game. This would have been one of those times.
 
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sjm said:
Sorry, but I'm hard pressed to think of any similarity between 10ball and 14.1.

The game of 10ball is most like is 9ball, which has been played without call shot at least since the 1970s. When the Pro Billiards Tour tried 10ball in the late 1990s for a couple of years, there was no call shot. The many who suggest that 10ball arose as a call shot game are simply uninformed.

There has never been a reason for call shot in 10ball.

The call shot feature, though necessary in 14.1, is part of what made straight pool a bad game for viewing, and virtually ensured that it would be replaced by something more viewer friendly once pool began to be shown on TV.
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Just trying to source the reason for call pocket. The 14.1 analogy is as close as I can come. The distribution in 10 ball is like many 14.1 racks - zero pocketing difficulty and even less sequential difficulty despite the numerical requirement. After all, you just shoot 'em where they go. There must be a reason call pocket is stipulated. (?)
 
The parents were orders of magnitude out of line more then his "Nittyness". How out of normal does the shot have to be before the Nitty-police think it's acceptable? 3 Ball combo. 3 Ball combo bank-carom? Remember SVB letting his opponent shoot the wrong ball?

Lets just put the whole thing to bed.

Nittyscale =6
Poor parental example = 9

Offsetting penalties.
 
book collector said:
It's a tough lesson for the kid , but in the scheme of life, on a scale of 1 to 10 , it is a .001
Whoever the adult voices belonged to at the end, were way out of line, that behaviour, in my opinion is far worse, than the call, and a really terrible example of how to deal with adversity in front of a young person. Hopefully they will apologise to the guy and the little girl for acting that way.
If I were her father , she would have shook the guys hand and understood that it was her mistake , that caused her to lose, not what the opponent did.
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I agree with everything that you've posted here...and Hoang is still an arsehole.
😉😁
 
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