What rule was this player's shot interrupted for?

Bob Jewett said:
Mark Williams does a lot of things that few other players do. After winning the World Snooker Championship (about $600k prize) he went to the press conference naked. You can look it up and there is (or was) video. :eek:
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Thanks Bob, now I don't feel so weird about shooting one handed.
At least Mark was not doing cartwheels.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Well, I happened to have a copy of the current Heyball rules that I had forgotten about... They appear to be largely a rewrite of the WPA rules. Under fouls we see:

17. Fouls

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(i) Bad play from behind the head string;
(j) Shooting with only one hand;
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Just recently we ran a first ever Heyball event here where I reside. I must confess I treated this very fine in question as applied to jump shots mostly (and later my mind played a funny joke on me and kind of settled it to being jump shots only). Which is apparently wrong on my side.

At the same time I don't see any sound reason for this rule applied to every shot in the game. Regarding jump shots, that might (but only might) make some sense, yet very little IMO. Let's say we are preventing the dart stroke jumping, for any weird reason.
But the shot Mark Williams played was absolutely legit in my pool universe

Just another example Chinese 8-Ball (lemme still call it by its proper name :)) is from some other planet which is not even in our galaxy.
 
Another interesting rule of Chinese pool is calling a standard foul for resting any piece of equipment on the table. Like a short but of a jump/break cue or a part of a long jumper.
 
hang-the-9 said:
I am still waiting for the "3 point" break rule to die, speaking of bad rules. That is a rule that causes more issues than it tries to solve.
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Like Bob mentioned already, this rule has a good reason. I don't think you would question Johann Ruysink's opinion? I believe he was the one behind this rule, originally used at the Eurotour.

"Points" rule on the break at Heyball (okay, okay, this one is shorter and therefore easier to type) has an interesting meaning.
Three illegal breaks of a certain player during a match accumulate into a loss of a rack, the latest where the 3rd break happened. So there is a track record being kept. Once such loss happens, the count starts over again. So technically one could lose a race to 3 match with nine illegal break attempts (the incoming player has an option to make the breaker repeat. And it is one of four options, so very large choice range)
 
Bob Jewett said:
Mark Williams does a lot of things that few other players do. After winning the World Snooker Championship (about $600k prize) he went to the press conference naked. You can look it up and there is (or was) video. :eek:
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I love watching him play snooker to see what type of shots he comes up with. Definitely one of my favorites!
 
I believe there are 2 points of merit to the foul on 1 handed shots.
The main point being it looks unprofessional.
The second prevents laying the cue on the bed and grabbing the shaft up by the ferrule to reach a shot in the middle of the table. Also prevents the cue in the air jab in the same "reaching" situation.
 
alphadog said:
I believe there are 2 points of merit to the foul on 1 handed shots.
The main point being it looks unprofessional.
The second prevents laying the cue on the bed and grabbing the shaft up by the ferrule to reach a shot in the middle of the table. Also prevents the cue in the air jab in the same "reaching" situation.
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Very few people know this shot. Mizerak used it in a Straight Pool match and the rules makers of that era had a fit! He taught it to me and it is a very effective and easy to shoot shot in the right circumstances.
 
alphadog said:
I believe there are 2 points of merit to the foul on 1 handed shots.
The main point being it looks unprofessional.
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As an occasional instructor of the game I usually ask beginners to shoot one handed cue balls. Helps a ton as that and them to focus on stroking motion only. I don't see anything unprofessional in one handed play. Itis an art of its own, there are players who reached enormous heights both in pool and Russian pyramid (though I might have heard only of two of them, but they are bona fide hustlers and also shoot lights out one handed!

alphadog said:
The second prevents laying the cue on the bed and grabbing the shaft up by the ferrule to reach a shot in the middle of the table. Also prevents the cue in the air jab in the same "reaching" situation.
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I don't see any problems with either of described scenarios, as long as there is a forward stroking motion of the cue stick, as required by official rule code.

add-on: Mark Williams uses the former kind of a shot (maybe grabbing the wooden part rather than the ferrule) regularly on snooker main tour.
I don't recall any kind of requirement in official WPA rules that a player is obliged to use both hands to make the shot legal.

And really, whaddabout the disabled, uh?
 
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I think the problem is that whoever adapted the WPA rules to C8B had no experience with American pool and felt he had to invent stuff. Or maybe he patched in rules that previously existed in C8B that we haven't seen.
 
Cuebuddy said:
I shoot one handed shots often as I have as much confidence with the one handed shots as when I use a bridge😛
For the life of me I can't figure out why he did it?
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i think he's said it allows him better overview when kicking. he only does it when he's snookered, and is often successful doing it.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Mark Williams does a lot of things that few other players do. After winning the World Snooker Championship (about $600k prize) he went to the press conference naked. You can look it up and there is (or was) video. :eek:
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its another country with different customs. the english and americans think the world revolves around us it doesn't.

it looks unprofessional to them and they go by that. it is simple to read and learn the rules of the game and those where you are playing.
 
Vahmurka said:
Like Bob mentioned already, this rule has a good reason. I don't think you would question Johann Ruysink's opinion? I believe he was the one behind this rule, originally used at the Eurotour.

"Points" rule on the break at Heyball (okay, okay, this one is shorter and therefore easier to type) has an interesting meaning.
Three illegal breaks of a certain player during a match accumulate into a loss of a rack, the latest where the 3rd break happened. So there is a track record being kept. Once such loss happens, the count starts over again. So technically one could lose a race to 3 match with nine illegal break attempts (the incoming player has an option to make the breaker repeat. And it is one of four options, so very large choice range)
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It has a good reason, but it was not the right way to solve the soft pattern break in 9 ball. MANY times I have seen a good break become "illegal" because of just the randomness of how the balls spread. A player makes a ball, but some balls collide, or hit the point of the side pocket, and the other player is taking over the game. Very unfair. It should be 3 balls past the side pockets if anything.
 
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