Rasson vs Diamond Tables

Badpenguin said:
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In my experience, multiple things can be attributed to how a table "feels" to me. The cloth, sure. But I also seem to like tables with thicker (one piece) slates, and more solid construction. They just "feel" better to me. Also, the sound of the balls rolling on a thicker slate is different to me. When I lean against a table and realize that if I bump it hard enough that I can probably cause it to move, it just feels cheap. The balls also matter, dirty vs clean. A valley bar box is the epitome of how I _don't_ like a table to "feel". I usually won't even watch tournaments played on valleys because of the overall impression of "cheapness" from them.
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Virtually all good commercial/tourn grade tables have 1"/30mm slate. You CAN NOT tell the difference when playing on the two. Please. Also any good table will not move when leaned on or bumped. Based on your anal pickiness i'd assume you walk in most rooms and just turn around and walk out.
 
jtompilot said:
The three piece Diamond slate is slightly thicker than the one piece. Not sure where you get the one piece is thicker than three? I haven’t seen that. I’d love to try the Connelly Ultimate with its four piece 2” slate.
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Wasn't very clear, I meant I prefer a thicker slate, _and_ a one piece slate.
 
philly said:
Agree completely.
A man after my own heart.
I blame myself when I lose and I blame myself when I win.

Many many years ago I was speaking to a very good veteran playing and told him I lost because I scratched too often.
He said: "Well whose fault was that?"
Lesson learned very quickly.
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So, am "I" the only who notices that these 'wonderful' 7-foot tables seem to place the pockets oh 'ever so nearer' the cue ball? LOL :) And playing 8-ball on these things? It's a bit ridiculous at times. Personally, I think every one of these 7-foot 'things' should be dumped into the middle of the pacific ocean and replaced with real tables. Then amateurs would get to play on real tables again, like they always did in the previous century.
Badpenguin said:
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In my experience, multiple things can be attributed to how a table "feels" to me. The cloth, sure. But I also seem to like tables with thicker (one piece) slates, and more solid construction. They just "feel" better to me. Also, the sound of the balls rolling on a thicker slate is different to me. When I lean against a table and realize that if I bump it hard enough that I can probably cause it to move, it just feels cheap. The balls also matter, dirty vs clean. A valley bar box is the epitome of how I _don't_ like a table to "feel". I usually won't even watch tournaments played on valleys because of the overall impression of "cheapness" from them.
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Badpenguin said:
Wasn't very clear, I meant I prefer a thicker slate, _and_ a one piece slate.
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Connelly is much reduced under Valley ownership - 9 models instead of thirty. And 2" slate is a thing of the past. A shame, I had one back in the '90s and it went out of level less than 1" slate but not perfect.
 
garczar said:
Virtually all good commercial/tourn grade tables have 1"/30mm slate. You CAN NOT tell the difference when playing on the two. Please. Also any good table will not move when leaned on or bumped. Based on your anal pickiness i'd assume you walk in most rooms and just turn around and walk out.
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One inch = 25.4 mm, not 30mm. Rasson's top level tables use
1 3/16" = 1.18" or 30mm slate. I have four of them.
 
jtompilot said:
One room in the whole country that I know of has Rasson tables. I’m not buying one when no where else I’ll be playing on them.

I’m not convinced that some skinny ass aluminum frame is better than epoxy impregnated beams.
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The aluminium extrusions are heavy and they sit on a frame that is very strong. The slate is fastened to the extrusions by 21 devices which hold the slate BOTH up and down with machine bolts, nuts, and lock nuts - not 12 wood screws & misc shims. We have four at Peacock Billiards in Victoria, BC, Canada and they do not go out of level AT ALL after 5 years with the public placing on them.
 

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I would imagine 30mm 9' one piece just too heavy for two guys to install, and I can't see a cart being used on their wood professional line.
 
Pierre Shakes said:
The aluminium extrusions are heavy and they sit on a frame that is very strong. The slate is fastened to the extrusions by 21 devices which hold the slate BOTH up and down with machine bolts, nuts, and lock nuts - not 12 wood screws & misc shims. We have four at Peacock Billiards in Victoria, BC, Canada and they do not go out of level AT ALL after 5 years with the public placing on them.
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Thanks for the pic.

Do you have any pics of the rail without cloth? Is there plenty of wood for the staples for many recovers?
 
jtompilot said:
Thanks for the pic.

Do you have any pics of the rail without cloth? Is there plenty of wood for the staples for many recovers?
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We have recovered the black Victoria 5 or six times - our busiest location and favourite amongst the cognoscenti (thank you spell-check). No problems. Do these photos show what you wanted? Zoom in.
 

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Pierre Shakes said:
We have recovered the black Victoria 5 or six times - our busiest location and favourite amongst the cognoscenti (thank you spell-check). No problems. Do these photos show what you wanted? Zoom in.
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Thanks for the pics. When I get to Vegas, I'll have to go back to Bangin Balls and play some more on the OX.

My wife hates the look of the OX and Victory tables. The Challenger looks similar to a GC4. When we finally get our house built its either a Diamond, GC4, or the Challenger. I'd love a nice Anniversary, but I hate the raised pocket lips.
 
jtompilot said:
Thanks for the pics. When I get to Vegas, I'll have to go back to Bangin Balls and play some more on the OX.

My wife hates the look of the OX and Victory tables. The Challenger looks similar to a GC4. When we finally get our house built its either a Diamond, GC4, or the Challenger. I'd love a nice Anniversary, but I hate the raised pocket lips.
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The OX and Vic might grow on you.
 
Pierre Shakes said:
The aluminium extrusions are heavy and they sit on a frame that is very strong. The slate is fastened to the extrusions by 21 devices which hold the slate BOTH up and down with machine bolts, nuts, and lock nuts - not 12 wood screws & misc shims. We have four at Peacock Billiards in Victoria, BC, Canada and they do not go out of level AT ALL after 5 years with the public placing on them.
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The slate is fastened to the adjuster box with bolts and then leveled by the leveling screws. Good system. My point earlier about the slate was that there is NO playing difference between 25.4mm(1") and 30mm slates. I played on a Rasson in a showroom and i thought it played fine. Your place in BC really looks cool as hell. One of my fave tv shows, Da Vinci's Inquest, was filmed up there.
 
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HelpMeScrubs0013 said:
GO BIDEN!!🤟🤟
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Does he play 1
garczar said:
The slate is fastened to the adjuster box with bolts and then leveled by the leveling screws. Good system. My point earlier about the slate was that there is NO playing difference between 25.4mm(1") and 30mm slates. I played on a Rasson in a showroom and i thought it played fine. Your place in BC really looks cool as hell. One of my fave tv shows, Da Vinci's Inquest, was filmed up there.
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The only thing that kept me from getting a Rasson was the local companies that sell them. The Installers are finely tuned hackers. Get this. 10 hours to install at $150 hour … If they were able to do a perfect setup I might have moved on one.
 
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