Tight tables and more money on the line Is going to cause people to slow down a bit.
US Open (9 ball) 2024, August 19-24, Atlantic City
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I can’t believe people are still wining about that. Lol I don’t hear the people actually playing complaining about it. They are probably just happy they know that if they win an event they are actually going to get paid llYou mean like they picked a color for the five ball and stuck with it in spite of it being totally stupid?
I think it's better for them to try to get it right if their first try is wrong.
There were multiple races to 9 and I can’t totally disagree. The guy sounds like he’s wining because he lost but it just shouldn’t take that long to play 15 games of 9 ball. Tough to watch from a viewers stand point.
I think it was in poor taste for BJ post on social media about Jeremy. He could have addressed his concerns privately, but to go public was not a good look for BJ.
In 2003 when Keith McCready came up against Jeremy on the last day for the hot seat, it was the week of Tropical Storm Isabel. The entire area lost power for a couple days, and the night before the last day, they had to hold matches until 3 a.m. At this juncture, Keith was hitting 'em strong and definitely feeling no pain, if you catch my drift. Billy Incardona in the commentary booth said if Keith keeps shooting the way he was earlier, he'll win the Open. He defeated Niels Feijen, Alex Pagulayan, Jose Parica (the first time), just to name a few. But when we got back to our hotel room, he had trouble sleeping, saying he was still seeing pool balls dancing in his head.
The last day, the hot seat match began at 11 a.m. Keith had to wake up at 9:30, with almost no sleep, and he was hungry. I immediately went downstairs to get him some breakfast, but he couldn't wait and made himself a bologna sandwich with mayo that we had in our room fridge. Unfortunately, though, the mayo and sandwich meat went bad from no electricity for a few days, and Keith got immediate food poisoning. It was awful, running to the bathroom, throwing up as well as having the runs. Plus, when we got to the venue at the Chesapeake Conference Center, there were no beer vendors open. For Keith, this was really like a nightmare that was getting worse and worse with food poisoning and no beer.
Now he faces Jeremy for the hot seat at 11 a.m. The match did seem to take forever, with Jeremy wiping down his cue after every single shot. Jeremy did win. Of course, I was disappointed that Keith didn't bring his A game with him against Jeremy that Sunday morning. I found out after the match that Jeremy suffers with a medical condition which is why he wiped his stick every single time after a shot. It is called "palmar hyperhidrosis" and causes a person to sweat excessively and unpredictably from their hands. People with palmar hyperhidrosis may sweat even when the temperature is cool or when they are at rest. This condition can affect people of all ages and genders, and it doesn't have any correlation with temperature, time of day, or exercise. The uncontrollable sweating can lead to significant discomfort, both physical and emotional.
So I'm not sure if that's what happened with Jeremy yesterday with BJ, but I share this experience to provide an explanation of maybe why Jeremy wiped his cue down after every shot. I'm a huge fan of Jeremy's and always will be.
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I saw that too,he told the ref,and the following rack was still unhappy with something.that table looked a bit slow to me. I think he was complaining about the side rails,even Emily came around.
He did well to win that match.and the other guy was playing very slow.and he was 4 -1 down too.
He needs to clip a towel to his belt then. And the glove virtually eliminates friction.
Remember when we were in Goldsboro? His matches were brutally slow...I can recall many games where there were a couple balls left on the table that were basically shoot/ stop for the out and he took his time and everyone else's too.
Yep. Wear a glove and get on with it. It's sweat not cancer. Let's go. Of all the excuses for slow play I've heard, his is the best. I'll give him that.
I guess I have palmar hyperhidrosis too. Whenever I get to the final ball my hands start pouring so I have to wipe my un-gloved hand and the cue butt, before I shoot. I noticed Filler does that too. Yeah, it upset people you are playing against when you have to wipe your hand frequently because they think you are wasting time or whatever. I sometimes explain to them what's going on.
Badpenguin
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Still there, but they seem to be fading a bit. It has been pretty close to a year. The table does have a very slight roll, but not near the side pockets.
The glove won't help if his hands are profusely sweating, and the towel needs to be loose, so he can use it on the cue stick shaft. Imagine having a sticky, wet shaft when you're stroking. Anxiety does cause the condition to erupt. Although it’s not a life-threatening condition, palmar hyperhidrosis has strong emotional effects. When he seemed like he was making a trip to the bathroom, I think he may have been trying to calm his anxiety and stress, which triggers the condition.
Agreed. The glove will be worse as it will become wet and you can’t dry it. I think this is such a poor move from BJ, also doesn’t show much intelligence or forethought as he must have known how respected JJ is.
By the way , I guarantee if Jeremy had played Shaw or Filler, the match wouldn’t t have lasted so long!! It takes 2 to tango
This is true. What is sad, at least to me, is that this is most definitely a medical condition. It's not a shark move or an attempt to have slow play, but of course, social media will be rampant with slams as it is wont to doing. You're right about the glove getting wet.
For me, I believe it's more of adrenaline pumping that causes the hand sweating. Being a trapshooter, I know that adrenalin is your friend because that's when you are concentrating the most. People sometimes confuse heart pumping with anxiety, but if you understand that it's more of adrenalin rush you can use that to your benefit. That's what is taught in trapshooting.
Badpenguin
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I _have_ seen streamed matches with JJ and he _did_ leave wet spots on the rails of the table.
But I guess you are the medical professional that diagnosed him, so you must be right, right?
If you go back and look at the clip at the Mosconi Cup where he committed the time foul after asking for the ball to be cleaned you will clearly see the handprint on the rail ... actually a commentator pointed it out.
Badpenguin
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It is a condition that is triggered/made worse by anxiety, and the guy is following him around during breaks to see if he is going to the bathroom or not? I think it was BJ sharking, not Jeremy.
i'm a fan of JJ, have no positive opinion of ussery, but to me it seems he's right. it's out of order for to take that long. 3.5 hours and 3 bathroom breaks? in a race to 9, come on..
i sometimes hear the excuse "but it's their livelihood" and "every shot is important" yada yada.. well for JJ it's not, he's got a comfy job in comms.
have a shot clock on every table. try having 25 sec for at least one tournament. look at ultimate pool. they even got hennessy to play at a decent pace
as for the hand sweat argument, there are antiperspirants for that. and gloves - bring more than one glove if that's the problem.
Oikawa
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A chess clock style shot clock might be good for 9-ball:
Give both players 3 minutes per frame, which keeps ticking down whenever they are at the table. once that 3 minutes is up, every shot afterwards will be on a 15 second shot clock. This could result in faster matches than the typical 30 second shot clock with one extension, while also allowing longer thinking for critical shots.
For example, if you pot one ball on the break and continue to break and run from there with avg. 20 seconds per shot, you'd still have 20 seconds left on the clock by the end of your run. But if you play slower, or there's safety exchanges, you'd eventually have to shoot the rest of your shots in max 15 seconds each, speeding up the game and making those 10-15min frames less likely.
Give both players 3 minutes per frame, which keeps ticking down whenever they are at the table. once that 3 minutes is up, every shot afterwards will be on a 15 second shot clock. This could result in faster matches than the typical 30 second shot clock with one extension, while also allowing longer thinking for critical shots.
For example, if you pot one ball on the break and continue to break and run from there with avg. 20 seconds per shot, you'd still have 20 seconds left on the clock by the end of your run. But if you play slower, or there's safety exchanges, you'd eventually have to shoot the rest of your shots in max 15 seconds each, speeding up the game and making those 10-15min frames less likely.