How bad would the scores have been if Fuller was playing instead of Krouse?
Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando
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Bingo! Marcel did not have a chance to speak up because Mickey spoke up first.
Both!
I've said my piece. Time to let it rest for another year before I begin, uh, trolling again.
Happy holidays, Garczar. Time for the off season!
SVB won the 2024 Premier League of Pool title that consisted of dozens of race to 5 matches before the quarters. He won 15 races to 5 and two races to 7.
He is more than capable in this format. He has done well at Predator events as well with shorter races.
Ditto for Gorst. He finished high in the Premier League of Pool and has done well at Predator events.
It's not like they are in the habit of falling behind regularly to their opponents. But they do tend to be a bit more careless/bold at the Mosconi. Just one mistake can be costly.
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Can't say. But if they had Filler tho...
Agree, big table pool is better. Way better. But I think real estate prices in the states are simply prohibitive for big table pool relative to demand. Until that relationship is remedied, then we are left with the seven foot table status quo.
At least bar table pool is a thing, if it were for those, I would have pretty much my home nine footer only to play on.
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A fair point, I was just highlighting that he can compete over short races.
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His win rate for Europe was pretty good...
I know, that this will never happen, but I wonder how Shane would perform if he plays on the Euro team.
I get, that the MC is all about entertainment and the show, but I think the Europeans are still more professional about it and Shane is the most professional of all the Americans, that is why he is a top 3 player for decades.
I think the same goes for Gorst, who is a calm person too and despite he really wanted to play well this year, didn't really fit into the vibe that Woodward, Thorpe etc. created for this US Team.
On the other hand someone extroverted like Shaw would be perfect on the US side and would be a partner in crime with Skylar and Billy.
I get, that the MC is all about entertainment and the show, but I think the Europeans are still more professional about it and Shane is the most professional of all the Americans, that is why he is a top 3 player for decades.
I think the same goes for Gorst, who is a calm person too and despite he really wanted to play well this year, didn't really fit into the vibe that Woodward, Thorpe etc. created for this US Team.
On the other hand someone extroverted like Shaw would be perfect on the US side and would be a partner in crime with Skylar and Billy.
Yes, and no. Technically, Marcel had the same amount of time as Mickey. As a professional referee, he shouldn’t have hesitated and should have been prepared to make the call. Part of a referee’s job is to analyze potential outcomes before the shot is taken. I understand the need to pause to ensure accuracy, but I don’t believe he intended to call it. The pause was excessively long.
Ah yes good point, that was the Covid year, I had forgotten that!
I think David Alcaide and Albin Ouschan are the most tactically savvy among the best players in the world. Alcaide shows it time and time again.
FSR's rise to stardom is the result of two things: He mastered the new MR break format first AND he absorbed all the tactical acumen of Alcaide by playing with him for years. He was superb in the Mosconi and won the Peri in Vietnam. He is back at the top of his game.
Shaw and Kaci, imo, have really elevated their strategic games in the past year or two. Kaci is very clever, and his severe arm injury last year has forced him to get even better at safety play. He can be surprisingly cautious and is willing to play cat and mouse.
Shaw wants to hit the ball, but he's learn that discretion is the better part of valor.
Krause, for his part, is better at safety play than it might seem. No surprise, really. He has been the main sparring partner for Neils Feijin for a few years now. Weird to see vids of him vs Feijin when he was still short and clean shaven.
Feijin has become a master of safety play after admitting it was his biggest weakness before he became a true star. He studied safeties and strategy extensively with Alex Lely.
I don't think young European players are all exceptional at strategy and safety play, however. Many of them are not. It was the biggest weakness in Filler's game even just two years ago.
Instead, they seemed to have developed a buddy system in which they learn that part of the game from better or older players. Or by losing to lesser but more strategically sound pros.
SVB and Gorst are very good safety players and both are also high-level strategists now. But I do think they can be a bit more careless or too bold at times. Gorst relies too much on his jump cue when the better choice is safety play.
Sky hasn't won the big one, and his defensive play is the reason why. Tyler is better at safeties. If he ever puts his whole game together ... who knows.
biado is up there too. raga is inconsistent in attending pro tournaments, but from what i've seen in cash games he's as good as biado and albin
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I disagree, but that's okay. We all have our thoughts on what may or may not have happened. Too many times, I have seen folks lambast referees, sometimes deserving and sometimes not. Nobody knows, of course, the truth except Marcel.
Don't worry, I complete agree with you. Pool becomes a lot less stressful when players come to terms with taking responsibility for their actions.
Now say if a house fly landed in the path of the CB during a shot and it caused the player to be snookered. Now that's bad luck. However beyond some whacky and unrealistic circumstance as that. The balls will always end up laying as they would based on how the prior shot was played.
If I may bring up the comparison of the MCup to the Ryder Cup and excuse me if this has been mentioned already.
Yes the Ryder Cup is a show but it is also a true golf event. I can't same the same about the MCup. It is a show but not a true pool tournament.
The Ryder cup format is a much better format to determine who the better team is verses the MCup. They play matches almost 8 hours @ day for 3 days, playing differrent games ( alternate shot, individual matches, best ball). MCup is played in a much shorter format, albeit for viewing purposes. You simply cannot compare the two.
I am not suggesting the outcome would be different; just saying the Ryder Cup is a better test of who has the best team.
Should a longer test be used at the MCup?
Yes the Ryder Cup is a show but it is also a true golf event. I can't same the same about the MCup. It is a show but not a true pool tournament.
The Ryder cup format is a much better format to determine who the better team is verses the MCup. They play matches almost 8 hours @ day for 3 days, playing differrent games ( alternate shot, individual matches, best ball). MCup is played in a much shorter format, albeit for viewing purposes. You simply cannot compare the two.
I am not suggesting the outcome would be different; just saying the Ryder Cup is a better test of who has the best team.
Should a longer test be used at the MCup?
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I watched about 60% of the matches and I felt the teams were very closely matched this year. It was very entertaining and the crowd was very much into it again
What made the overal difference in my humble opinion was the break. I felt Europe just out broke USA by 10-20% and also at very critical moments.
The break and run stats were higher therefore and in a couple of crucial moments USA broke too thin a few times and Europe kept coming with big breaks like FSR’s last break.
I think that made the small difference from what I saw.
Everybody misses balls and makes a few errors, how can you not, the pressure can be insane. But Europe just kept breaking really strong all the time and kept initiative more often
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Great Cup!
I watched about 60% of the matches and I felt the teams were very closely matched this year. It was very entertaining and the crowd was very much into it again
What made the overal difference in my humble opinion was the break. I felt Europe just out broke USA by 10-20% and also at very critical moments.
The break and run stats were higher therefore and in a couple of crucial moments USA broke too thin a few times and Europe kept coming with big breaks like FSR’s last break.
I think that made the small difference from what I saw.
Everybody misses balls and makes a few errors, how can you not, the pressure can be insane. But Europe just kept breaking really strong all the time and kept initiative more often
Great Cup!