Jay, if you are talking about the shot on which Krause fouled with the double hit, Eckardt was not "behind the player." Looking from the head of the table to the foot, Krause was on the right side of the table, stretching to reach the shot, while Eckardt was on the other (left) side. Eckardt had an excellent view of the shot, pretty much perpendicular to a line between the cue ball and 5-ball. But it was quite an obvious foul, so it is strange that he didn't call it immediately. We don't know what he would have done with a few more seconds of thought (video review was possible), but Krause spared him any further thought or action.
Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando
- Thread starter Bob Jewett
- Start date
Nah, the MC is turning out exactly as it should, making it longer is only going to make the USA look worse.
Do I wish it was longer? Yes.
Maybe it was so obvious it didn't occur to him to make an out loud call immediately. It's not like Gorst jumped to the table and started shooting
Thank you for correcting me. Sounds like he should have seen it then. Maybe he is just not as familiar with shots like this in pool. Or he blinked.
Excellent post. Thanks
This is an excellent post ... however it won't sink in.
Pissflitsche
New member
It's not about the one very good player who comes from a certain country. A good player can develop in any country if he starts playing the sport at a very early age and has the passion. Of course, good pool players can also develop in Albania or the UK or even the US.
And by the way: UK has a similar League structure for english eight ball and snooker in which Karl Boyes still participates. I don't know about classic Pool, but Snooker is probably the best example in billiards how to produce a mass of professional players once a good structure is established.
And the general output in UK can't be that bad when you look on the amount of top British Pool players like Boyes, Gray, Appleton, the Fishers, Melling, etc.
It's about something else: it's about the fact that a professional system produces many more good players much more often. Talent is recognised and promoted much earlier. Also, competition sorts out many players who don't make it. It's a natural selection process.
And these systems are attractive to foreign players because they can get better here and also earn money. There are some good clubs that buy these players from abroad. David Alcaide for instance played in the German Bundesliga as well - he traveled regularly, and it's quite a long way from Spain to Germany!
So it's not restricted to neighbouring countries.
Last edited:
Nobody was arguing that the laws of physics suspend themselves at inopportune times for certain players.
This is just a semantics game BeiberLvr is playing here. While he's right that too many annually blame the MC outcome on rolls or the short races, he's wrong to surmise that "rolls" -- however we choose to define them -- don't exist or don't affect the outcome of matches. They do quite often.
I actually think that rolls can be quantified and would be a worthy state to keep track of during matches. The players themselves clearly understand when they get a roll as it's unfortunately standard practice to hand wave at your opponent every time you get one.
DaWizard
Well-known member
.
Or do people think he didn't see it?
I don't really get that this is a controversy tbh.
But what would be his motive to not call? And would he not realize that such an uncalled foul would be rewinded a million times on the internet?
Or do people think he didn't see it?
I don't really get that this is a controversy tbh.
I'm ready for a "man on the street" segment where someone asks Albanians about their thoughts about the argument that America loses the Mosconi Cup because of their government lavishing funding on pool players. Apparently the US can't hold a candle to the resources and vigor of Tirana bureaucrats 
I couldn’t tell if he had a motive or not. I was merely suggesting that he might have momentarily frozen and reconsidered what he saw, attempting to ensure that he gets the call correct. My point is that as a professional referee, he should be aware of the upcoming events before the shot is taken. It wasn't a difficult call if you are anticipating it...that's his job.
What is his job?
I don't even get the point of having a referee make such calls in 2024. Beer drinking, back slapping, bar leagues often will have a "ref" pull out a phone to record a close hit. Matchroom referees seem to be there more for show than to actually make knowledgeable foul calls. If they cared about calling fouls the referee would be sitting in front of a screen, not in front of the players.
Hopefully this is the logical solution as to what happened
Mickey’s bridge hand was precariously close over top of the 9-ball so the ref had to watch for that too. I think Mickey just beat him to the call because of that. The result was too blatant that I give him benefit of the doubt that he would ga e called it.
Last edited:
I know not everyone is going to love this or it may be old news but Vitaliy Patsura was running around in a Team USA jersey. He said he’s maybe 4 months from getting his permanent residence and is fully intending represent for Team USA like Fedor.
Is it possible that, considering the hit was almost certain to be a foul, that Marcel would have at least taken a look at the video had Mickey not so quickly self-reported? That was my sense anyway
Zero problem if they are working toward citizenship. We all came from different lands originally. Patsura has been living here awhile, I understand, and like Gorst has embraced Americana.
*precariously