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maha

from way back when
Silver Member
yea and the reason why so many more play poker is that you dont have to be the best or even top notch to win.

there are tons of pool players that would enter if they thought they had a chance, but they dont have any chance at all of getting even in the money. as long as pool is like that it cannot grow.
 

DaWizard

Well-known member
Yes you are right/ I think a skid is what would end any marathon run most likely. They happen on every cloth, chalk, ball etc.

I was giving this a bit more thought and I think 1200-1250 is the maximum possible run in the real world. Something will happen, a funny kiss etc at some point no matter how good the player or equipment.

Even during the 832 Jayson got lucky a couple times-which you have to to get a run like that. I’m not sure the of the math but one lucky roll per 100-150 balls isn’t much, when 1 bad roll is end of run. (Jayson played so good, he wasn’t overly lucky) which makes his 832 that much more amazing.

He had BIH looking breaks all but a couple times and still he didn’t end on a bad or no break shot. He missed!

Idk the math, but what % of runs over 100 end on the break vs a miss?????

Best
Fatboy<——- asking questions before my morning ☕
Calling in @dr_dave

Could there be some statistical analysis if people did a whole lot of runs? The goal would be a function that describes the chance of "game ending bad luck moment" in relation to the number of shots.
 

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
Silver Member
These are the fringe games within the fringe sport of pool. There is almost zero interest....and that's not ever changing. Even the average person who plays pool regularly will never play these games and can't run a rack of 9 ball. When they go Vegas for league in say the BCA, they won't even go watch the pros for free.

I for one relish the fringe aspects of pool. The gamblers, clowns and pros...the money. What other sport can you play vs the best in the world in a $200 or less tournament?

Pool is better than it has been in a long time. Myself I'm pretty much done....Zero action here=zero reason to stay in stroke. Probably gonna dump the 9 foot Diamond with Littman light....7k cash and I got access to a cart to move it. My cues are going in the box with me so someone can find them in 100 years and wonder just WTH they are.
I said all this over two years ago when we bought our new house. I sold my Diamond and for the first time in over thirty years I no longer had a pool table in my home. Where we live now in Los Angeles, the closest poolroom is about a 45 minute drive away. No thanks! I basically forgot about playing pool and frankly didn't really miss it that much.

A month and a half ago I came to the Philippines for an extended Xmas vacation, which will continue until the end of January. Maybe about a week into our stay here I began to hear about the pool action in Angeles City and was curious about that. Efren had been matching up here (he lives here) and there was action in a couple of places nearly every night. Cool! The next thing I know I'm driving into town, park my car and lo and behold there is a brand new poolroom upstairs right there. Double cool! It's closed and won't open until after 2 PM so I make a decision to go back that evening.

Surprise, surprise, it's really nice inside with modern furniture, good food offerings and two new Star tables. On closer inspection someone did a really good job of installing these tables. Simply beautiful and calling my name - Jay, Jay, come play with me. So I did and now another surprise - the table played as good as it looked, rolling true and banking sweet. I can play here!

And this was just the beginning. Seems there is a pool resurgence in the Philippines with new rooms opening everywhere. No high rental costs to fade here and easy to get a license to sell adult beverages. In the last two weeks I've found two more nice rooms, both of which stay open all night, and tonight I'm going to check out the big action room. Best of all most of them are within a 10-15 minute drive of my home here.

If that's not good enough, from out of nowhere I get a message from Alex Laoingo, the former owner of Stix Billiards in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. He is a very good player (high level shortstop) and he is visiting here right now. He wants to play pool with me. I know I have no chance so I stall him for a few days so I can at least practice a couple of times for an hour or so. My Predator cue feels good in my hands, thank you Joyren who sold it to me eight years ago. It had been getting dusty in the closest here. I know that I can't beat Alex playing even at One Pocket like we did years ago, but I tell my wife if he wants to gamble he will have to give me all the breaks. Then I have a chance. Alex is a nice guy but a stone cold hustler. That's why I like him so much. As a second choice my plan is to tell him if you want to play even, we can play some Banks. I like my chances there much better!

One more surprise, when we get together Alex is really cool. He says we can play One Pocket and gamble a little or just play for the time. Damn, the world has shifted on its axis. We played for the time and it was fun and I was more competitive than I thought. Some local guys are watching us and I ask Alex can we play them a partners game and he says they won't play us, they are below our speed. I'm feeling pretty good now.

The bottom line of all this is that I want to play pool again. For the first time in years! I know that it's good for me and my old body to be walking, bending and stretching. My wife shot a short live video of us playing and posted it on FB. If you want to see old Jay in action go to my page (Jay Helfert of course) and take a look.
 
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fjk

AzB Silver Member
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Straight pool could be fun again if they added one bank or a multi rail kick shot to each rack mandatory. If no banks were made you have to bank the break ball or play safe. One pocket enthusiasts would like the occasional safety wars and hundred ball runs would become a lot more rare. There would always be at least one exciting shot per rack. What would be a good name for such a game? Maybe Straight pool plus. Or Bank 14.1.
Hey, where are you located? I ask because if you're not too far away, I'd drive over and kick you in the nuts for that suggestion. Changing straight pool would be like changing the number of cards in a deck or number of sides on a die. Some things just are not meant to ever change.
 

L.S. Dennis

Well-known member
Nice to see. Congrats to Babe Cranfield on holding the record for so long, but I think Babe is smiling from on high today because he, more than anybody, appreciates what it takes to hold the table for 50+ racks.

Well done, Jayson!
Well it’s good to see that Babe’s 768 can finally be put to rest. And like you I sure Babe is smiling from up above and glad to see Jason do it! Now on to this remarkable achievement, what are the odds of someone shooting that many break shots in a row and not getting tied up on the next shot after one of them? I remember reading in Babe’s book where he said the most unpredictable shot in straight pool is the shot directly after the break. This is phenomena!
 

maha

from way back when
Silver Member
if a few of the other top players dedicated themselves to doing it i supposed they could after enough tries. but that isnt the case here so hats off to him for doing this feat.
it also puts the 1000 run into real likelihood.
 

jasonlaus

Rep for Smorg
Silver Member
You playing Jamie?

Careful he's prone to snapping his cues.
Lol. I was backing Marc playing him, I may come out of retirement 🤣

Those cues he built with the cuemaker(can't remember) look very nice
 
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sjm

Older and Wiser
Silver Member
Well it’s good to see that Babe’s 768 can finally be put to rest. And like you I sure Babe is smiling from up above and glad to see Jason do it! Now on to this remarkable achievement, what are the odds of someone shooting that many break shots in a row and not getting tied up on the next shot after one of them? I remember reading in Babe’s book where he said the most unpredictable shot in straight pool is the shot directly after the break. This is phenomena!
Well said. As we both recall, many a good run, back in the golden era of straight pool, ended when a player got stuck after the break shot or had a crazy tough shot. Of course, that was a greater danger in the days of nappy cloth, but even today, to make 59 consecutive break shots without ever getting stuck (and without ever scratching off the pack) is a remarkable accomplishment not to be taken lightly.
 

Fatboy

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Well said. As we both recall, many a good run, back in the golden era of straight pool, ended when a player got stuck after the break shot or had a crazy tough shot. Of course, that was a greater danger in the days of nappy cloth, but even today, to make 59 consecutive break shots without ever getting stuck (and without ever scratching off the pack) is a remarkable accomplishment not to be taken lightly.
To me that’s the most impressive aspect of this run.

Just how good he was on every break shot it seemed.

It’s just incredible

Best
Fatboy😃😃
 

ShortBusRuss

Short Bus Russ - C Player
Silver Member
yea and the reason why so many more play poker is that you dont have to be the best or even top notch to win.

there are tons of pool players that would enter if they thought they had a chance, but they dont have any chance at all of getting even in the money. as long as pool is like that it cannot grow.
Well, to be fair... Chess operates in JUST this way. There is a wide range of play from ~600 rating to 2800+ rating.. And once the gap opens up to about 400 points, the lesser player literally has ZERO chance to win a single game..

How does chess stay popular? They separate players into rating divisions, and the tournaments are multi-tiered, where the masters play the masters and the "shortstop' level players looking to take some scalps.. Then there is an "A", "B", "C", "D" division, etc..

So.. Basically exactly what is getting off the ground with Fargorate "650 and below" tournaments, etc..

The issue with this being that American pool players feel entitled to huge prize funds, and that simply is not gonna happen with skill-separated divisions. Strong players need tons of dead money in the event to create those large prize funds. This is NOT how chess works. Players compete to see if they have improved, and to see that rating go up, and to possibly jump a class. The only big payout events are the nationals and similar level events, and to win even a D division title/prize fund.. You are gonna be competing against some rapidly improving players, so just tack on another 100 ratings points in "skill", if you want to win any big money. In other words, even without sandbagging, you better be prepping for a tournament for an entire year, a la "practicing in the basement".

FWIW.... This is also how the Euro style league systems work. You start out at the rank amateur league levels (Kreisliga/Bezirksliga in Germany), and they play with your team in an effort to move up to the next class.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Well said. As we both recall, many a good run, back in the golden era of straight pool, ended when a player got stuck after the break shot or had a crazy tough shot. Of course, that was a greater danger in the days of nappy cloth, but even today, to make 59 consecutive break shots without ever getting stuck (and without ever scratching off the pack) is a remarkable accomplishment not to be taken lightly.

I think there are a few of us here that can hear what you're saying.

Lou Figueroa
 
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