Horizontal Draw

Island Drive

Island Drive

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Many don't realize horizontal cueing (9 o'clock or 3 o'clock cueing) is also pure draw, when.
Upon contacting the cushion nose when spinning it grabs just like 6 o'clock draw.
It helps beginning players understand what's occurring.
Beginning players learn draw occurs when hit with 6 o'clock cueing.
 
Island Drive said:
Many don't realize horizontal cueing (9 o'clock or 3 o'clock cueing) is also pure draw, when.
Upon contacting the cushion nose when spinning it grabs just like 6 o'clock draw.
It helps beginning players understand what's occurring.
Beginning players learn draw occurs when hit with 6 o'clock cueing.
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Not really and especially "inside" KILLS the cueball, the exact opposite of draw
 
Railside spin will kill the ball allowing any forward roll to "lead" the equation.

I've seen people use inside when close, to back the ball up. Don't quite understand the effect. I just draw the ball.
 
I got ya. So for example I’ve got a ball around the second diamond near the rail, tying to bring cue ball across table below the side pocket. As my cut angle increases the effectiveness of straight bottom decreases and side helps get me back.
 
billiards_watch said:
The OP is correct but I don't think he is explaining it correctly.
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Correct? Side spin is the same as pure draw?

I've never had to spend more than a couple of minutes explaining how sidespin affects the angle a cueball comes off the rail. Anyone large enough to hold a pool cue already understands that a spinning ball will change direction when it hits something--everybody has already seen it in other activities. Saying something like the op said is only going to set the person's understanding back as long as they believe any part of it. We don't need to make things complicated in an effort to simplify. Attempting to be profound or clever is a good trait in a comedian, not in an instructor.
 
Picture this for those that make fun of my explanation, and I by no means write as well as Helfert.
So have at it if it makes you happy.
Visualize this...

Your cue ball is frozen to the rail.
Lift the table to 90 degrees vertical.
Now the side of the cue ball is at 6 o'clock resting on the rail nose.
It's laying on the cloth, on the nose of the rail, we all know, you can draw off cloth with a spinning cb.

Horizontal draw is how I visualize this cb action..... that's why great players are able to get so much draw action off a rail w/o hitting the cue ball with 6 o'clock draw.
The gearing/spinning cue ball as its spinning is increased, allows the shooter to hit the object ball Much thicker, because the horizontal side spin transfer over cuts the obj. ball.
A heavier cue ball (Aramith bar ball) creates more gearing when contacting the obj. ball.

bm
 
DeeDeeCues said:
This post is the single best endorsement of qualified instruction for beginners I've ever seen. If I were an instructor I would print this quote on my marketing material as an example of the horrible advice and explanations one will get from randos.
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well, he IS an x pro and all
 
I believe what Bill was trying to describe is this.
Object ball is 2 diamonds from the right hand corner pocket and 3 ball widths off the rail.
Cueball is 2 diamonds away and 6 ball widths from the rail.
When you cut the ball to the left using 3 o'clock English the tangent takes the cueball into the rail at a small degree of a angle from perpendicular and then the 3 o'clock right hand spin grabs and brings the ball backwards.

In no way is it the same as draw but but the ball does come back.
 
alphadog said:
I believe what Bill was trying to describe is this.
Object ball is 2 diamonds from the right hand corner pocket and 3 ball widths off the rail.
Cueball is 2 diamonds away and 6 ball widths from the rail.
When you cut the ball to the left using 3 o'clock English the tangent takes the cueball into the rail at a small degree of a angle from perpendicular and then the 3 o'clock right hand spin grabs and brings the ball backwards.

In no way is it the same as draw but but the ball does come back.
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If that's not what he meant I didn't grow up in the 60's and i don't know what the hell he was trying to say either.
 
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Island Drive said:
Many don't realize horizontal cueing (9 o'clock or 3 o'clock cueing) is also pure draw, when.
Upon contacting the cushion nose when spinning it grabs just like 6 o'clock draw.
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That might be considered an OK analogy if the CB didn't leave the rail nose immediately.

pj
chgo
 
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