Waxing the cue ball? WTF is Kaci talking about now?

lfigueroa said:
Always wondered about this.

Are you misting the cloth with a spray or applying with a cloth?

Any particular product? A dry silicone spray?

Lou Figueroa
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only seen it done, not done it myself. silicone spray on a microfiber cloth then gentle uniform wipe on the table (including rails). all this after vacuuming and cleaning table ofc. i think it was a pure silicone spray for automotive purposes
 
garczar said:
Look, the ref is right there. If whiny EK thought this was happening he would have said something then. NO, instead he whines/bitches about it after the fact. STFU loser.
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players who lost just pile on a rumor that was started. pool players being pool players i guess, blaming everyone and everything except their own poor play
 
Bob Jewett said:
When Harry Sims was the houseman at California Billiards (two locations ago), he would grease the cushions of the carom tables to make the cloth play more like new. I believe it was something like ArmorAll silicone spray. That was back in the 1980s, so the products may have changed.
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He would do the same to his favorite table in St. Louis.

Lou Figueroa
 
skogstokig said:
only seen it done, not done it myself. silicone spray on a microfiber cloth then gentle uniform wipe on the table (including rails). all this after vacuuming and cleaning table ofc. i think it was a pure silicone spray for automotive purposes
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Was wondering if applying silicone to the pocket facings would help on a table that was hanging up properly hit balls.

Lou Figueroa
 

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Robocop. Starts talking about it ~5m20s.

Initially I was chalking all this up to perhaps referees unintentionally introducing foreign substances (they didn't know how to rack initially) but The King of Money Games has chimed in some on the topic of wax use (didn't name anyone.)
 
I vaguely recall the European players were accused of "waxing the ball" about 15-20 years ago. I think it might have been Albin? Does anyone else recall? It was their towel.
 
I was in China in about 2007 for the first time for my dayjob, and of course I played pool every chance I got. ha ha. I went to the local hall, and the balls were drawing like crazy. I couldn't figure it out. Even on cut shots I could get the ball to come way back off of the tangent line, seemingly unnaturally. I became friendly with the staff and asked how they cleaned the balls, and they showed me. They used a ball machine after each customer, and sprayed a cleaner on it. If memory serves, it was Pledge (or a Chinese equivalent).
 
Bob Jewett said:
When Harry Sims was the houseman at California Billiards (two locations ago), he would grease the cushions of the carom tables to make the cloth play more like new. I believe it was something like ArmorAll silicone spray. That was back in the 1980s, so the products may have changed.
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Isn't that what Glen recommends putting on Diamond rails to fix their bad design? ha ha ha
 
Hmmm…. Gives me an idea…..

At the hall I always seem to overdraw the CB, especially when trying to stun with the CB, say, 2 feet away from the OB. It has cost me numerous racks and matches in the last few months (including scratches!) because my table at home plays differently from the cloth at the hall. I still haven’t figured it out even though I am selecting tip positions higher on the CB when shooting league at the hall.

I have more than one CB. Maybe I will lube one up to replicate what is happening at the hall…
 
A lot of people have cheated with the whole world watching, it isn't really that hard. Main thing is to act nacherally! I watched a player slug rack himself for the entire one pocket event at DCC one year. A well known player so countless people saw it, I never heard it mentioned. Rack the balls normally then pull everything behind the front two rows back. Those racks looked like they were superglued!

Major league baseball, football, many olympic events, bicycle racing, many things with far more officials and spectators than pool, cheating often goes on long term. When I caught my opponent cheating on a pool table gambling I sometimes blatantly cheated in return. Sometimes I made more balls with my left hand than my right, and I was shooting right handed. A little misdirection, a flick, it has been working for stage magicians for centuries. My usual move was just head games. Nothing harder to catch than someone pretending to cheat! Makes the opponent crazy.

Cheating may be happening in plain sight, it wouldn't be hard to do Opponents getting the gooey end of the stick are going to have to protest while the cue ball can be checked, not just bellyache later. I think the catch is they think they are being cheated without being 100% positive. If you scream and no cheat is found then you look like an idiot or cry baby.

Hu
 
Fedor Gorst just posted on Facebook, thanking his sponsors, Matchroom, Saudi hosts, referees, et cetera. Very humble man! The end of his thread says this: Lastly, I want to address the topic everyone has been discussing online. A lot of players have spoken up about people rubbing wax or other substances into their gloves, changing how the cue ball reacts, or making the table play differently. Some fans think players are just making excuses when they lose, and sure, that happens too, but the reality is – players doing this do exist. It’s been talked about for a long time, and while I haven’t said anything publicly before, I have raised the issue with the organizers. I believe steps will be taken soon to deal with it properly.

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I don’t know about this particular instance, but it IS possible to cheat this way. You can completely change the play with wax, to the point where your opponent will miss shots by a large margin, not just position. Nobody but a referee should be allowed to «clean» the cue ball!
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I don’t know about this particular instance, but it IS possible to cheat this way. You can completely change the play with wax, to the point where your opponent will miss shots by a large margin, not just position. Nobody but a referee should be allowed to «clean» the cue ball!
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Bingo! The referee should be the only one to touch the balls period, including taking them out of the pockets before racking.

Fedor added this in the above-mentioned thread:

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BCA had a rule, dunno if it still applies, that pool balls in a tournament cannot be waxed or polished before a tournament. Balls could be only be washed with soap and water or denatured alcohol.
 
I have witnessed an incident where a player actually was caught rubbing a cloth with silicone spray on the ball and it definently affected the CB. Not really sure how long the effect lasts and if this in some way permanently damages the cloth. I know once silicone is used it finds it's way everywhere.
It would be really interesting to hear Fedor or others go more into detail how this is done, how prevalent it is and what he estimates the advantage could be in persentage.
 
dquarasr said:
... At the hall I always seem to overdraw the CB, especially when trying to stun with the CB, say, 2 feet away from the OB. ...
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That could also be due to the cue ball being small from wear. Make a ring of six object balls frozen around the cue ball and if there is a gap with the last object ball in the ring, the cue ball is the wrong size. This can be a serious problem for very old cue balls.
 
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