He’s a legend that hasn’t fully exited the GOAT conversation. He definitely is a talker and unfortunately hasn’t paid attention to happenings of pro pool for the last 40 years. Having him in the booth was a real disservice to the players on the table for him to not know who they are. But I don’t blame Mike. In any other sport he would have been in the studio with a broadcast professional providing post-match analysis and other hot takes on the event. Never would he be put into a lead match commentator role. It’s a poor broadcast production choice for an event so dated that poor broadcast production choices is on brand.I watched a lot of it on YouTube and enjoy it minus Siegals commentary as he is absolutely atrocious and unbearable in my opinion! I just can’t respect or stomach the guy! Give me Frost, Incardona, or double J any day!
Skyler really played some great pool this past week. It would be nice if his form is as strong at next week's Mosconi Cup.Great write-up Stu!
I watched the YouTube live feeds for a couple matches, and I liked seeing the people sitting in Skyler's corner during his match. Looked like almost the whole Mosconi team there. That was a good match, with both players having nearly flawless performances, but Yapp was the one that moved forward.
I've been a fan of Yapp ever since that time foul thing with Shane in 2021, and it's good to see him do well.
Saw you sitting up there past the kitchen in the live feed of the final on Youtube. I pointed you out to my girlfriend, and reminded her of when we met you at Turning Stone.
Thanks for taking the time to put all that together.
Pat went big (ala Super Expo) when he probably should have gone small and focused on the main event, the pro 9-Ball. I agree the timing of this event couldn't have been much worse. And ten days long! A bit on the expensive side to attend this one.Thx for the write up.... well explained perspective of ''the moment''.
With the world now involved in pro nine ball events, this is a major long term concern for Pat.
I think he might have to make a big change.... Or just do a Smaller production.
Your below post Stu...... made matters very clear.
''Field size and depth in the pro events disappointed.
The main reasons, in my opinion: a) the Predator event in Spain caused many top Europeans to skip it.
b) five top Europeans were in Scotland training for the Mosconi.
C) player burnout, as the top pros just got home from two months hopping from country to country in Asia.
Pat will have to look at the world events from now on to find His Spot on the calendar.
I think his best bet might be this.
Wait till he knows what MR is going to do in 2026 with the US Open 9 ball.
I don't know if Pat has the connections in TX like he does on the Atlantic coast.
Yapp has to be the Player Of The Year for 2025, with four big titles. He's had to beat the best out there to accomplish this too.Has to be Shane's three US Open 9ball titles in a row. Earlier this year, Filler had a chance to make it three straight China Opens but could not pull it off.
Three in a row of anything is a minor miracle. Shaw won Turning Stone three times in a row, but it is not a big money event. At Derby City two months from now, Gorst will try to make it three Derby City one-pocket titles in a row and Filler will try to make it three straight Derby City 9ball titles. I'm looking forward to seeing if either is able to pull of the unlikely triple. Incredibly, Efren won four consecutive one-pocket titles in a row at Derby City years ago.
I think Yapp winning the 10ball and the 9ball at the same event is something special, too. It was last accomplished by Filler at the 2024 Derby City Classic.
Hear Hear, shedding a tear. Too many good memories with all those guys. Buddy's big laugh, Danny's sly wit, Terry's enthusiasm, Mika's sincerity, Truman's good humor, Chang's calm at all times.A very touching moment came at the BCA Hall of Fame dinner. This year, we lost four BCA hall of famers in Buddy Hall, Danny DiLiberto, Terry Bell and Mika Immonen, and a video tribute to the four of them was shown that brought more than a few of us to tears. Add to this that we lost JL Chang and Truman Hogue this year, and it must be said that 2025 broke our collective hearts. RIP to six legends.
I just saw an announcement for the Predator Euro Tour Spanish Open on Dec. 4-7. Right on top of the Mosconi Cup. Interesting.Skyler really played some great pool this past week. It would be nice if his form is as strong at next week's Mosconi Cup.
Yapp has become a very special player. I recently asked one of the top few ranked players in the world what they thought of Yapp, and their answer was simple. They called him "the man to beat." Enough said, for right now, that is exactly who he is.
The 2020's have seemed to feature a dominant player each year. In 2022, FSR had one of those special years. In 2023, it was Filler putting together something similar. In 2024, it was Gorst wowing us over and over. Now it is Yapp, as obvious a player of the year as the last three.
Eurotour have not been proper pro event in long time. Money is pathetic. Affects nothing. It is just to WPA and European rankings...I just saw an announcement for the Predator Euro Tour Spanish Open on Dec. 4-7. Right on top of the Mosconi Cup. Interesting.
E. Coaster...................I watched a lot of it on YouTube and enjoy it minus Siegals commentary as he is absolutely atrocious and unbearable in my opinion! I just can’t respect or stomach the guy! Give me Frost, Incardona, or double J any day!
He hast to do some changes, Helfert also reflected this. Or like I said earlier, tag along the TX USOPEN9Ball Rumor.Is Pat looking to unseat DCC as the premier multi pool games event?
An undeniable complication, Bill, is that 2025 has likely introduced us to how pool is going to be from now on. It's very possible that the pros will, again, spend two months in Asia next September and October. The breadth of the world pool calendar has made things very complicated for players to manage both their schedules and their expenses. Still, there is no denying that, more than ever, they can pick and choose their events, no longer obligated to play in everything to earn a living at pro pool.Thx for the write up.... well explained perspective of ''the moment''.
With the world now involved in pro nine ball events, this is a major long term concern for Pat.
I think he might have to make a big change.... Or just do a Smaller production.
Your below post Stu...... made matters very clear.
''Field size and depth in the pro events disappointed.
The main reasons, in my opinion: a) the Predator event in Spain caused many top Europeans to skip it.
b) five top Europeans were in Scotland training for the Mosconi.
C) player burnout, as the top pros just got home from two months hopping from country to country in Asia.
Pat will have to look at the world events from now on to find His Spot on the calendar.
I think his best bet might be this.
Wait till he knows what MR is going to do in 2026 with the US Open 9 ball.
I don't know if Pat has the connections in TX like he does on the Atlantic coast.
Billy is, by a mile, the best ever American commentator.One of the best parts of the story was Billy interjecting with his impression of Earl.
He is far and away my favorite Accu Stats commentator and I could listen to him tell stories for days. Articulate, knowledgeable, great sense of humor and likeable.
Amazingly enough, Molina Mike once invited me onto his podcast, but, with gratitude, I declined. I really don't need the attention.As a side note, I think many of us would love to hear SJM on a future podcast telling his pool-life story.
To me, most of the guys are now just, payin the rent, enjoying life in your youth in their section of the planet.An undeniable complication, Bill, is that 2025 has likely introduced us to how pool is going to be from now on. It's very possible that the pros will, again, spend two months in Asia next September and October. The breadth of the world pool calendar has made things very complicated for players to manage both their schedules and their expenses. Still, there is no denying that, more than ever, they can pick and choose their events, no longer obligated to play in everything to earn a living at pro pool.
The rapid globalization of the game in the past decade has, unquestionably, made our sport better, but it has come with some growing pains, and players, event producers, and even fans face new choices.
He’s a legend that hasn’t fully exited the GOAT conversation. He definitely is a talker and unfortunately hasn’t paid attention to happenings of pro pool for the last 40 years. Having him in the booth was a real disservice to the players on the table for him to not know who they are. But I don’t blame Mike. In any other sport he would have been in the studio with a broadcast professional providing post-match analysis and other hot takes on the event. Never would he be put into a lead match commentator role. It’s a poor broadcast production choice for an event so dated that poor broadcast production choices is on brand.
Thanks for this recap Stu. I only made it for one day but I should have stopped to introduce myself. If you'd like to hear about the Sigel/Strickland matchup in great detail, you can hear Billy's version in Part 4 of our interview with him on our podcast, "Legends of the Cue". Here is the link: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/sjm-at-the-2025-international-open.582124/Just spent ten days at the International Open in St Augustine, Florida. Here is what it was like.
Friday, November 14
Arrived 4:30 PM. Matches I saw were Morra’s one pocket win over Shuff and Pongers’ 14.1 win over Mario He. I caught up with a few pros briefly, but the only pro with whom I had a long chat was Fedor Gorst. The Bigfoot began with a weak field. Round 1 looked like a yawner.
Saturday, November 15
Breakfasted with Steve MacDonald of Diamond Billiards. It was a slow day in the tournament room. Lopsided matches in the Bigfoot were the norm, and the end of an embarrassing Round 1 mercifully came. The best 14.1 match was Mario He over Bob Madenjian. Meglino topped Shuff in one-pocket. Through two days, the International had produced few good matches.
Sunday, November 16
Round 2 of the Bigfoot offered the first tasty matchups. In a match neither deserved to win, Gorst and Sevastyonov both played poorly, and it was fittingly decided when Arseni mishit a kick at double hill but fluked a snooker that left Gorst so safe that there was almost no possible response. I have never believed that a close match is necessarily a good one, and this was an example of a close, terrible match. Oi vs Capito was exciting. Capito played poorly early, falling 7-1 behind. Capito caught a stroke, getting all the way to 9-7 before Oi’s break and run ended it. Biado dismissed Wolford and then Yapp shot the lights out against Corteza to advance. The 14.1 remained in round robin at end of day. Hall, Gomez and Meglino began to look like the ones to beat for the one-pocket title.
Monday, November 17
Breakfasted with Jeanette Lee. In the arena, the Bigfoot semi had Oi blowing out Sevastyonov. Biado and Yapp then had a good one, which went double hill. Biado scratched on the double hill break and Yapp negotiated a tricky rack for the win. In the final, Yapp was brilliant, dismissing Oi with relative ease. The 14.1 finished the round robin, and in the quarterfinals Pongers, Grabe and Zielinski advanced easily. The best quarterfinal was Hohmann vs He, and Thorsten prevailed with solid play in the late stages. One pocket played down to four: Hall, Ruuger, Gomez and Meglino.
Tuesday, November 18
Breakfasted with Mike Sigel. In the arena came the business end of the 14.1 event. Grabe vs Pongers was up first, and it was close most of the way, but it was Grabe who prevailed. In the other semi, Hohmann beat Zielinski with relative ease. In the final, it was vintage Hohmann topping Grabe for the title.
Mike Sigel, Billy Incardona, Sammy Jones and I probably traded war stories for at least an hour after the match, most of the discussions focusing on the years from 1980-94, which we all seemed to remember very well. An amusing moment came when Sigel spoke of one time he beat Earl in an action match in South Carolina circa 1981 and Billy had to correct him saying “I was your backer in that one and we broke even!”
The Fargo 650 and under 9ball began. I saw nearly none of it. One pocket had the day off.
Wednesday, November 19
The first one-pocket semi was a dandy between Ruuger and Hall. Ruuger led 2-1 and despite trailing 6 balls to 4, had a big positional advantage in Rack 4. He squandered his entire advantage with one poor shot, and it cost him the rack, and soon after that, the match, with Hall advancing to the final. In the second semi, Gomez was too much for Meglino. The final was a classic. Hall had a chance to close it out in rack three, but when he failed, the match continued and ended up going double hill. In the case rack, Gomez and Hall played a memorable safety battle with Gomez ahead 7-6. Gomez prevailed to win the title.
Pro 9ball began but the field was not deep, with a lot of dead money, and some even deader money, so Round 1 offered few good matchups. Surely the most entertaining match of the day was Shuff vs Thorpe, which reached double hill. Billy hooked himself on the 6ball but jumped it in. Still, he was not up to a challenging 7ball, and Shuff prevailed.
Thursday, November 20
Breakfasted with Payne McBride, the promising American teenager. The morning matches did not offer much great pool, but the afternoon produced a dandy in Sossei vs Thorpe. As had happened on Wednesday night, however, after a fine double hill shot on the 6ball, Billy made an error on the seven, so Sossei prevailed. The best match of the late session was a gem between Biado and Hennessee. The quality of the play in the closing racks was breathtaking, and the match came down to an electrifying double hill safety battle, ultimately won by Biado, securing the victory. Lukas Verner remained on the winner’s side with a nice win over Mario He.
Friday, November 21
The early pro 9ball session, all loser bracket affairs, was excellent. Ussery was too much for Morra, and Eric Roberts had a nice win. Meglino played well to top Capito. Austrian Mario He rallied from behind to top Donny Mills. The afternoon session brought the field down to 24 and these eight had already qualified for single elimination: Gorst, Oi, Atencio, FSR, Yapp, Woodward, Zielinski, and Hohmann. The night session brought the loser qualification round and these eight qualified: Rivas, Souto, Styer, Martinez, Loukatos, Kazakis, Krause and Grabe. The real story of the evening session was the elimination of both SVB and Biado, at the hands of Krause and Martinez respectively. Young American Eric Roberts came within a rack of Stage 2, losing a double hill heartbreaker to Souto.
Saturday, November 22
In early play, Spaniards Souto and FSR breezed to the quarterfinals, and Atencio won a tight one over Styer, but the real story was Rivas beating Gorst. Next up was the BCA Hall of Fame dinner with Carlo Biado enshrined and, after being introduced by his wife, he spoke well. After dinner came the quarterfinals. Zielinski, FSR and Souto advanced comfortably but Yapp vs Woodward was a well-played dogfight that came down to a double hill rack in which both players had a ball in hand, as Yapp prevailed.
Sunday, November 23
It was time to crown a champion. In the first semi, it was Spain vs Spain, as FSR topped Souto. In the second semi, Yapp won easily over Zielinski. The final was a beauty, with Yapp narrowly prevailing over a very solid FSR. Well played and that’s three in a row for Yapp.
Socially
I was pleased to hang out a bit with AZB regulars BBB and Jason. I caught up with some old friends, including Don Wardell and George Breedlove, neither of whom I had seen before in 2025. I spent a lot of time with old friends Mike Sigel and Billy Incardona, and was pleased to catch up with Sammy Jones and Jerry Briesath. Katie and Darlene, two close friends from Chicago, were present for the final three days of the event, and that was great. I was happy to sweat a few matches with my friend Mike from Jacksonville. I went out to dinner just twice in ten days.
So How Did It Go Overall?
To be fair, the event was a slight disappointment.
The setup of the tournament room was superb, as has always been the case at the International. Still, overhead scoreboards malfunctioned on numerous occasions, which was very frustrating.
Field size and depth in the pro events disappointed. The main reasons, in my opinion: a) the Predator event in Spain caused many top Europeans to skip it, b) five top Europeans were in Scotland training for the Mosconi, and c) player burnout, as the top pros just got home from two months hopping from country to country in Asia.
The pace was glacial. The 14.1 had 20 players, four groups of five. Each player had to play four matches to complete round robin, yet that took four days. Participants played an average of one round robin match per day. One pocket was a little better, but the matches were, similarly, too spaced in the schedule. Once pro 9ball began, sessions alternated between the 650 Fargo event and the pro event, so the pace of the pro event was lethargic until the last couple of days, when it was pretty much pro 9-ball only.
The Renaissance Hotel offered few shops and amenities. Other than at breakfast, food offerings were mediocre. In the tournament area, there was a tiny snack bar that helped you order food in, so that helped. There was also a small buffet that was nice but it did not begin until day 7.
Comparing this to August’s Florida Open, this did not fit in as well with the US pool calendar. The summer had offered, in consecutive weeks, a) Rally in the Valley, b) Florida Open, c) Battle of the Bull, and d) US Open 9ball. Each offered good prize money, and Europeans and Asians showed up in droves for that four-week fiesta. Increasingly, overseas-based players are not showing up to American events unless they can play in a series of events.
To sum, at ten days long, this event is just too long and there was just not enough pro pool played. By my estimate, fewer than 500 pro matches were contested over the ten-day event. By comparison, Derby City, also a ten-day event, offers closer to 2,500 pro event matches.
On the positive side, however, the event built to a crescendo and the last couple of days offered some very exciting pool. I am grateful for this event and I am glad I went but, at times, it was a bit of a drag.
Thanks to Pat Fleming and his team for all their hard work in staging the event. It is always my pleasure to support his events.
So glad you enjoyed this story and hope you were able to catch all 6 of Billy's episodes! Thanks for listening.This three day money match was covered in part 4 of a recent 'Legends of the Cue' podcast with Billy. A must listen for those who have not heard it. https://www.legendsofthecue.com/bil...s-hustlers-and-the-making-of-a-champion-mind/
One of the best parts of the story was Billy interjecting with his impression of Earl.
He is far and away my favorite Accu Stats commentator and I could listen to him tell stories for days. Articulate, knowledgeable, great sense of humor and likeable.
As a side note, I think many of us would love to hear SJM on a future podcast telling his pool-life story.
Interestingly, three SMEs in the pool world—Mike Panozzo, Phil Capelle, and Pat Fleming—praised Mike Sigel’s commentary. They noted how well he calls the shots, breaks down patterns to a tee, and layers in strategic insights. In that regard, Sigel is undeniably strong in the booth.
But it’s also true that he’s out of touch with today’s professional pool landscape and the current roster of players. Most AzB’ers are far more plugged into the latest news, regional events, and global happenings. That’s likely why some take issue with him being in a commentary booth in 2025.
One thing worth noting is that Sigel’s presence did provide an opportunity to promote his ABL (American Billiards League), complete with the “Cash Is King” slogan. I did see a few ABL commercials.
And yes, Mike Sigel is a talker. Anyone who’s spent time around him knows he has the gift of gab. I admire his enthusiasm for the game and his ability to build a solid living around something he excelled in, something not all pool pros manage to do. He definitely has a big ego, but so do many champions in any field. Strong self-confidence often spills over into that territory. Some handle it better than others. Efren Reyes comes to mind.
Thanks for that. So, about seven times as many matches at Derby City in the same ten-day stretch. Wow!Always good to read your recap and analysis, Stu. As for the number of matches played in the 4 pro events, after deducting no-shows/forfeits:
Bigfoot 10-Ball -- 15
14.1 -- 47
1-Pkt. -- 99
9-Ball -- 193
Total -- 354