Max Eberle on people who play on barboxes "Pool players need to grow some balls"

Would I play in that tournament? Yes, if the entry is $20 and I can play a few matches and racks for $20. If the entry is $150, hell no; I have almost no chance of cashing and why would I donate?
I will ask one more time what you are ranked via Fargo, the league you play in whatever.

There were four different divisions in the tournament I was talking about.

Odds are you wouldn’t have been in the same bracket against the 745 or the 558.
 
Why is it that a bad player only gets better playing a much better player even? Why wouldn't the weaker player get any better playing the better player with a spot?? What exactly is it that prevents the weaker player from improving if he gets a spot??
I would say that once you get past a certain level, it's not ability that prevents you from improving but mental. This game is already 90%+ mental. If you're only winning with a spot, then you're handicapping your mental game and preventing yourself from having the pressure that's necessary to improve. You get the I have arrived syndrom prematurely
 
Great read, Taxi.

When I first learned to play pool, it was right around the corner from Randolph Hills Poolroom, at Hank’s on the Pike, a one-table tavern. I did okay on the barbox with the big cue ball. That’s where I met Tom-Tom. He was the one who took me over to the big tables at Randolph Hills… and that’s where everything changed. I was mesmerized by the big tables and the action. I’d sit on the rail for hours, just watching. Before long I started hitting balls on the 9-footers, and my game improved 1,000 percent. Back at Hank’s, I became one of the top shooters in the tavern. Loved every minute of it, beating the guys for a buck or a beer. Simple times. Good times.

Maryland used to have so many great poolrooms. Most of them around suburban D.C. are gone now. Some of the old crowd has migrated to 7 Billiards Shady Grove in Gaithersburg. Although I prefer poolrooms with no music, no alcohol, and no big-screen TVs, 7 Billiards Shady Grove does have the food, drinks, and big-screen sports, but the saving grace is there is some solid local talent there, still bringing that familiar pool high when you run out.

Some things change, but that feeling never does.


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Nice post as usual from you. I’m 62 and much prefer an old school room with no music booze or TVs as well. Just about non existent in Kentucky
 
Why is it that a bad player only gets better playing a much better player even? Why wouldn't the weaker player get any better playing the better player with a spot?? What exactly is it that prevents the weaker player from improving if he gets a spot??
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I started playing pool as a kid and worked in a pool hall.

I played everyone head up, even as a kid.

Eventually, as a teenager I could beat everyone in the town and gambled even with anyone who wanted to play.

All of them started asking me for weight.

You don't really improve if you are playing people you can easily beat.

I have never asked for a spot playing anyone.

I never understood people bragging about beating someone and then admitting they were getting the lemon crush and the other person had to play one handed jack up with his weak hand and with his eyes closed!

(this part isn't directed at HawaiianEye or anyone in particular)
Funny thing about bar tables, the bar near me was the only sure place to find me and I didn't always drive ten miles or a lot further when I couldn't go in Baton Rouge after dark to find a big table. For all of the nine foot snobs, I'd like to play you on an antique ten footer! Slow cloth, clay balls, wet cloth thick enough to use as a blanket on a bed!

I was in the road players' book for the last few years before I left town when I bought a business or two. Three if I am being picky counting. They came to find me and most left busted and disgusted. None left with fifty dollars or more of my money. One reason for that is they offered the starting bet of three or five dollars a game. Pretty much the bar regulation. Even if both players knew they were going to end up playing for real money the starting bet was three or five dollars, or a dollar beer! Not one of those road players including the player of the decade suggested raising the bet. My home court, they played with hinged personal sticks, I played off the wall.

In ten years I never booked a week that was in the red, rarely a night. One of the funnier stories, I had never heard of Johnny A. I knew he thought he was somebody but once I got things rolling my way I started stalling a bit to keep the cash coming!(grin) Even Baton Rouge was a major backwater except for Greenway and I generally lived five or ten miles above Baton Rouge in Brownfields or Baker.

A bar table has more in common with a snooker table than a nine foot table does. Regardless of what I gambled on, I usually tuned and practiced on a snooker table. After a break when I was running a twenty-four hour business I used a snooker cue on a bar table. Worked great!

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If you are playing a super strong player that has committed themselves to the game, weight is the only option unless you are mad at your money.

Takes a while to learn the moves in one pocket and playing players that are leaned is going to help your game.

Champions can give away massive spots in one pocket.

Regarding spots: your ego will lie to you all day long. Money never lies.
 
Why is it that a bad player only gets better playing a much better player even? Why wouldn't the weaker player get any better playing the better player with a spot?? What exactly is it that prevents the weaker player from improving if he gets a spot??
It is not universally true but the majority of players try harder against a stronger opponent because they are more aware
their missed shots result in their opponents pocketing more balls. So they concentrate a little harder and don’t play carelessly as often is the case. Deep inside they want their opponent to view them as a worthy opponent because it bolsters their self-confidence. They want to win without any handicap despite that it would be a long shot so beating their opponent with as little of the handicap spot as is needed to secure the victory really motivates them.

The flip side is many stronger players succumb to the old temptation of not respecting your opponent’s skills as a threat and so they play down to their opponent instead of trying harder. They play lower % shots for a table runout instead of taking time to re-evaluate their table map if they get a little out of position. Their confidence to prevail keeps them from playing their best because they aren’t worried about losing. Sure anything can happen in a match but they believe they can dial up their game despite any handicap spot. And when the pressure is on them to produce, they more often than not rise to the occasion. They play smarter, higher % shots, safeties resulting in BIH and more simple mapping of the table using cut angles versus English for position. When you are the better player, it is easy to feel overconfident and lose to a much weaker opponent.
 
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you can only get as good as your hand eye coordination will let you.

the more you play the better you get, if you are trying to get better or win. it comes naturally.

so many of those old time top players which never did drills or practice much except play in the pool rooms for cash
got good also at golf, ping pong, tennis and such only because they had great eye hand coordination.
not because who they played or whether they got spotted or played even .
 

I couldn't agree more.

Billy Jr Ussery comments on the video "Bar table pool and handicap tournaments and leagues are a big part of why a Americans can’t compete on the world stage anymore…"
BJ is spot on. Bar tables are for unskilled drunks to argue over that have no clue how to play pool. Outside of a bar they are a joke.

I’ve been outspoken about them forever. Feel like a loser even playing on them.

Undoubtedly the kiddie pool crowd for the APA will be along to say this and that about how great they are. I bet they can’t wait for the next downsizing to a 3’ x 5’ table with six inch corner pockets. Yes that will be marvelous.

Hate bar boxes!!!
 
All my life I have tried to play up when practicing. In a tournament, you never know the level of your next opponent until you either recognize them or start playing your match. Only by playing better players do you learn to stretch your skills and utilize better strategies on how to play the table. There is no shame whatsoever in running a couple of balls, passing up a difficult shot and instead play a wicked safety on your opponent. Playing stronger opponents will elevate your pool game a lot quicker than playing against your equivalent peers or lesser skilled players. And you’ll also concentrate and try a lot harder too.
 
I will ask one more time what you are ranked via Fargo, the league you play in whatever.

There were four different divisions in the tournament I was talking about.

Odds are you wouldn’t have been in the same bracket against the 745 or the 558.
I don’t recall you asking me my FR; if you did I missed it.

Officially I am 431 with a robustness 197. But….it’s been 16 months since I last played anything that reported to Fargo. The hall in which I played BCA closed for a move and its reopening has been delayed and delayed, now delayed until at least April. I can’t wait to compete in 14.1 on tough tables again.

I have improved significantly in the last 16 months. I play TAP as a 6 and I suspect based on recent play I might be close to moving up. (ICBW.) From what I can tell, TAP ratings are about 0.5 - 1.0 lower than APA. I would guesstimate I am currently playing around 500-525 FR. At least I hope so. Either way, true, I wouldn’t be in the same bracket as 745 or even 558 but there are local tournaments that don’t bracket.
 
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