Which way is the cloth installed on a 3C table? I recall hearing something similar that maybe the pool vs 3C installation is the opposite, but not certain.
Thank you Glen. A follow up question:
Is the Artemis Intercontinental K55 installed on today's top 3C tables? If so, which way is it installed?
Hey Glen,
You and I have discussed this issue for many years now. As I have related to you, I've been installing the intercontinental 55 cushions curved side on top with the canvas on the bottom for many years.
Early on, when I was replacing cushions, with Artemis, on the older Diamonds I found they played short and quick unless the liners were modified. By replacing the cushions with the curved side on the top, they played longer off the cushions and still had very good speed with out being so lighting fast off the cushion. I didn't have to modify the liners at all and all the tables played and still play great. I also install the Artemis cushions on the Brunswick Gold threes and fours with the curved side on top and the canvas on the bottom with equally good results.
We had talked about setting up two tables side by side, with the cushions installed both ways and conduct some tests. That's really not applicable now that Diamond has changed to the blue label rails. I do think it would be interesting to try the cushions on a pair of older Gold Crowns just to judge the difference in play.
I'm not saying I'm right or that anybody else is wrong, just sharing my experience with dozens of re-rubber jobs using Artemis cushions. I also install the Kleber cushion (P-59) the same way.
Nice to see you back posting again. Are you still in California? Give me a call when you are heading back east.
Jay
Hey Glen,
You and I have discussed this issue for many years now. As I have related to you, I've been installing the intercontinental 55 cushions curved side on top with the canvas on the bottom for many years.
Early on, when I was replacing cushions, with Artemis, on the older Diamonds I found they played short and quick unless the liners were modified. By replacing the cushions with the curved side on the top, they played longer off the cushions and still had very good speed with out being so lighting fast off the cushion. I didn't have to modify the liners at all and all the tables played and still play great. I also install the Artemis cushions on the Brunswick Gold threes and fours with the curved side on top and the canvas on the bottom with equally good results.
We had talked about setting up two tables side by side, with the cushions installed both ways and conduct some tests. That's really not applicable now that Diamond has changed to the blue label rails. I do think it would be interesting to try the cushions on a pair of older Gold Crowns just to judge the difference in play.
I'm not saying I'm right or that anybody else is wrong, just sharing my experience with dozens of re-rubber jobs using Artemis cushions. I also install the Kleber cushion (P-59) the same way.
Nice to see you back posting again. Are you still in California? Give me a call when you are heading back east.
Jay
Let me try and understand what every one is saying about the Artemis cushions, in all your opinions, Diamond is mounting them upside down, and according to every one saying so, because they don't play as good unless they're mounted hump side up. Then could anyone explain to me, that if Diamond and myself are wrong, then please explain why Shane just won his third straight US Open playing on tables that according to all you who oppose the way Diamond mounts these cushions? The greatest pool players on earth are playing banks, 9 ball, 10 ball, 8 ball, 14.1 and every other known game of pool with the cushions mounted the way Diamond and myself recommend them to be mounted....as WELL as the Artemis company. So, all you must know something I don't know, because I just don't have any problems with them, nor do any of the customers that I've rebuilt pool tables for and installed the Artemis cushions on. World beaters are playing on them at "DCC" and have no complaints about how they play. The 10' big foot challenge tables have them installed as well, best players in the world don't have any complaints, so what's the problem? Trust me, if ANYONE complained to Greg Sullivan about the cushions and how they played, Greg would be all over it looking for a replacement cushion, but he's not, so how come?
Glen
You and I talk about this all the time, we both see each others reasons for why we do what we do. My question is to everyone else installing the cushions hump side up, when for the most part all that they're doing is changing cushions, no rail work is being done to make the cushions play at their best. A lot of mechanic's have no idea what they're doing replacing cushions, which is why there's so many GC's around with K66 or even "Accufast" cushions on them, yet they feel like they know what they're talking about when it comes to how cushions should play....LOL
What if they installed in on old Diamonds or GC4 or GC3 without modifications, Glen ?