Where is "here", and is it both Blue Label and 3 slates?
Thanks,
Russ
I believe he was referring to this one which has since been sold.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=476807&highlight=diamond
Where is "here", and is it both Blue Label and 3 slates?
Thanks,
Russ
Does the table have to be a three piece slate to get it in the attic area, or can it be hoisted up the stairs if one piece. Are there 3 piece Diamond slates?
So... pulled the trigger. Travelled to Essen, Germany and chose my Gold Crown III and a snooker table yesterday, delivery scheduled for 9/9/2018.
Spent about 90 minutes explaining the rail extension process and pocket angles as communicated by realkingcobra. The billiard mechanic seemed like he understood the downangles, miter angles, and whatnot. He seemed to warm up to me over this time (helps because I actually am one of the few Americans who makes the effort to speak German, rather than makkng Germans speak English to me..), and basically got me away from the owner and told me he would bring me a bunch of accessories for both tables. Snooker long cue / long bridge, a few regular snooker cues, etc..
We'll see how it goes.. As soon as I mentioned new rails, they immediately said "Superspeed", and took some convincing that Artemis Intercontinental #66's would fit.. So, this "Diamondizing" is a completely foreign process for them, and for pretty much any other German table mechanic.
On the positive side.. if this mechanic knocks it out of the park, I am gonna put him on blast on the German billiard forum for doing a good job with it. He would likely get a LOT of business, because the general consensus is that people here in Germany want Diamond tables, but are surely not gonna pay 8000€ for them. I don't think most clubs even realize Diamondizing is a possibility.
In the end, if he does a good job, it will also make this table EXTREMELY easy to sell when I leave Germany.
Short Bus Russ
The Gold Crown tables (3-4-5) take the 55 cushions....they still call them Brunswick super speed K66...but the profile of the super speed today are bigger cushions than back in the days of the monarch super speed K66.
The artemis cushion (intercontinental) is very close to the same profile as the brunswick super speed....the nose on the Artemis is bigger...and will set higher on the sub-rail....that's why the sub-rail will need recut..to bring the cushion nose down.
But you can put the Artemis on as is.....but the table will play slower....and want to trap the balls.
But if your not playing the US Open on the table....go for it.....but if you want the table to play perfectly.....ship the rails...I can use the money..LOL
Or call me and I help the best I can on the phone.
770-548-4292
Mark Gregory
Yes, but the GC3 has to be the second production, the early GC3's came out with the early Superspeed cushions that replace the Monarch cushions, and were still 1 1/8" wide.
Okay.. so, because people are giving pure "opinions", and masking it with the whole "I'm not a mechanic, but......"
Here is the thread where realkingcobra is very explicit: Newer Gold Crown IIIs and 4s and 5s all take Artemis Intercontinental #66 (K55 profile) as a direct replacement for Superspeeds. ACTUALLY, multiple people in this definitive thread explicitly mention getting the Artemis rails with no subrail angle modification, and that they played great.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=260808
Now, I may be coming across a little salty here, but I have seen some of the same members giving the same poor advice, and the incorrect information has been addressed. I am politely asking you to reference the correct answer this time, and go back and edit out your incorrect jnformation from previous threads. In other words, if you don't KNOW, don't give an "educated guess". Because the "educated guesses" from non-mechanics in this particular case, were dead wromg.
I am having a hard enough time here getting a table that plays tough, and as close to Diamond specs as possible, with no qualified mechanics, without people continuing to inject the same misleading information.
Why are you asking questions here if you are already in communication with RKC and Mark? Heck, why ask both of them?
Pick one.
Good luck in finding a mechanic there who is going to mitre the subrail face to the blue label Diamond specs.
I would think nobody there is tooled for it b/c they've never had the request before .
Artemis intercontintal are k55 profile cushions, but as mark stated in the comment I quoted before the Artemis have a longer nose, so if you want the best playability, the one as close to a blue label diamond, as stated by mark again, you need to correct and calibrate the subrails.
But there is a case, as RKC stated in the post I quoted before, that k55 profile cushions wont fit because of the shorter subrails in first production GC3.
I'm in the same boat as you(I have a GC4) and I talked to Glen just like you did, I'm just passing the informations that Glen an Mark passed before on this forum.
Anyway it's important to share your experience because here in Europe the infos about rail extension and calibration are lacking.
I have been in contact with realkingcobra throughout this process, as he realizes that I have zero options here in Germany but to show the table mechanic here what to do, and hope they can figure it out. He says the Artemis Intercontinental #66 is a direct replacement for Superspeed, being it is a K55 profile. He specifically said that the only thing required is to extend the subrail, given that the rails themselves are not warped.
Glen, can you confirm? I also saw one or two people posting conflicting info on whether Intercontinentals are a drop-in replacement for Superspeeds.
Thanks,
Short Bus Russ
The spec's on the Olhausen pro that are now on the guys table are spec's for a diamond table....not and Olhausen table.
The 15 down angle is used on diamond table because of the deep shelf of the slates.
When tables have shallow slate shelf.....there's on need to use more than 13 degree down angles.
The right spec's should be used on the table that's called for......not just the spec's that make the balls go in easier down the rails.
Stretching cushions is wrong.....if the cushions were ment to be stretched....the manufacture of the cushion would cut the cushions smaller and save money.
When the balls pound on those cushions for awhile....for sure the cushions are going to spring back.....no matter what glue you used.....with the angles on the that table....should take a basketball down the rails...even if the ball hits the 3rd diamond on the way.
All tables need ball rattle to some degree.....with out it...no one would ever miss.
I would say check back in a few months on this job....and see if the tables playing to easy...and that the cushions have not moved.
Mark Gregory
Also you would like to avoid using the exact same pockets' specs as a Diamond BL; the Diamonds have a deeper pocket's shelf, Mark (and I think Glen also) cuts the subrails at a 13° Down Angle on tables with shallow shelves (like a GC)
Good Luck