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Did I foul? - 10-19-2019, 03:16 PM

BIH playing the ghost, this was my first shot. I played the CB to break up the cluster, and follow down table for the next ball. I called a foul on myself, the hit felt like I double hit it.

What would you call based on the video? 8 seconds long for short attention spans

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10-19-2019, 03:26 PM

What makes you think you fouled?
You hit high ball, whitey jumps a little...
If we were gambling, I would not call a foul.


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10-19-2019, 03:28 PM

It felt funny in my hand. Like a double hit.
  
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10-19-2019, 03:31 PM

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It felt funny in my hand. Like a double hit.
I think you did foul, especially if you felt it.


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10-19-2019, 03:36 PM

I’d call it on myself - especially if I felt it - and I wouldn’t call it on my opponent. I’d trust him to call it on himself. Or not.

If I was playing the ghost for practice I probably would have kept shooting.


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10-19-2019, 03:37 PM

High ball, whitey slips up a bit.
The cue ball didnít do anything it wasnít supposed to.


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10-19-2019, 03:40 PM

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I think you did foul, especially if you felt it.
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10-19-2019, 03:42 PM

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High ball, whitey slips up a bit.
The cue ball didnít do anything it wasnít supposed to.
That's the rub. The CB did what I wanted it to do. But I think on this particular shot, if I fouled it or not, the CB path would have been the same. Looking at the video, I do think the CB caromed too full into the OB to take the path it did up table. I was going for a thinner hit.
  
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10-19-2019, 03:44 PM

I'm pretty sure I fouled while at the table. I looked at the video afterwards and could not see the foul. I even played it frame by frame. I posted it on here to hear your thoughts if you could see a foul based on the video/sound alone, pretending I never said it sounded funny live when I played it.
  
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10-19-2019, 06:17 PM

Looks like you did.good call
  
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10-19-2019, 08:20 PM

I would say it all depends on your confidence level in what you felt. It doesn't look like a foul. No ref or opponent or anyone else would or should ever call a foul on this shot.

As for what you felt, perhaps it was indeed the slightest of double hits. Or it could have been your tip bumping the bed of the table (even though you were using follow it still looks like this could possibly have happened here, can't tell). Or it could have been the slightest of miscues (any slight difference in the feel of the hit to what you were expecting could be erroneously perceived as something it wasn't such as a double hit) . On a side note, many/most miscues are actually technically double hits, with second hit typically being against the side of the ferrule or shaft, but the rules state that miscues are not to be treated as double hits even if they technically were (most likely because there just isn't anyway to know for sure). Or it could have just been your imagination. I know I have felt what felt what felt like a mild double hit on shots where it would have been basically impossible, and am guessing that has happened to most of us. Not sure what causes that perception but I speculate than just about anything different about the feel of a hit due to whatever various reason can occasionally be perceived erroneously.

On this particular shot I would say if you are felt reasonably certain you fouled based on what you felt, then call the foul on yourself, but if you just think its possible but are really up in the air about it, you probably shouldn't. Put it another way. I wouldn't let my opponent call a foul on himself for this particular shot based on him saying he felt what could have been a double hit but just isn't sure about it. I would make him shoot again. Now if he said he was pretty certain he felt himself double hit the cue ball then I might (or might not if I felt pretty strongly it couldn't have been a foul) accept his call (with the requisite thanks for the honesty of course).
  
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10-19-2019, 08:35 PM

If you fouled....then I'm not seeing it. A lot of things are going on in this short clip including the BADASS music but the shot seems legit.


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10-19-2019, 08:40 PM

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BIH playing the ghost, this was my first shot. I played the CB to break up the cluster, and follow down table for the next ball. I called a foul on myself, the hit felt like I double hit it.

What would you call based on the video? 8 seconds long for short attention spans

https://youtu.be/iSHrkwaNd3c
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10-19-2019, 09:22 PM

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BIH playing the ghost, this was my first shot. I played the CB to break up the cluster, and follow down table for the next ball. I called a foul on myself, the hit felt like I double hit it.

What would you call based on the video? 8 seconds long for short attention spans

https://youtu.be/iSHrkwaNd3c
My first take was you definitely hit the cue ball at the end of your follow-through.

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I say "good call".

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10-19-2019, 09:39 PM

you can slow the video down to a .25 and watch it by clicking the cog wheel on the video frame. i slowed it down and watched, its close. you said it felt like a double so you're prob right. hope this helps
  
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