I Used to Use a System But Now....
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Thanks for the compliments on my game guys -- sort of.
I'm just a working stiff that loves to play so I don't take all the gambling propositions all that seriously. It's true -- I'm not a highly rated player. Most places I go to I can probably get a spot or play in a lower division. In my defense, some of that has to do with the fact that I don't compete very often or I just go and play in the team event like the event Neil is referring to.
I'm just happy to see the gang back together again slinging some mud around. It's like old times in here.
If it's my game then why do you give a shit if I or anyone else plays by feel?
Show me a systems that includes a method on how hard to hit a ball for a certain shot.
Show me a system that gives some from of info on how hard to hit a CB to get to a specfic position on the table.
Show me a system that will tell you where the balls will go when breaking up a cluster.
Feel involves the whole of a performing a complete shot not just some part of it. The eyes are only one part, getting the right shooting position is also part and feel is the only way to know if the shooting position is correct for the shot.
If the shoring position doesn't feel right, chances are you will miss.
Feel also involves the cue tip contacting the ball. From the feel of the hit I know if I stroked it right for what I want to do with the shot.
And so on....
So since you are not a feel player, why do you give a shit if someone else is, I means it's not your game right?
Then why get so bent out of shape, or are your just mental?
Nailed what? Explain what was nailed.
You guys seem to think there is only one way to play pool, to use a system.
Bullshit.
I work for a living and have no intention of becoming a pro player. You'd have to play better than Sky W. to make any real $$$. There just isn't much value in becoming a much stronger player sadly.
Actually, I probably won't even play the Masters league next session, since I don't have a table at home anymore and the GF doesn't appreciate me going to the pool room lol.
I've been holding up ok, but feel like I will probably start slipping in my play with only playing once a week on BB's to boot for the last 2 months.
I'm 7 - 0 in matches with 49 games won and 8 games lost for an 86% win rate, just ahead of Wilke(same team) at around 81 or 82% although he plays much better.
7-4
7-1
7-0
7-0
7-2
7-1
7-0
Maybe when this job is over(got extended for another year) maybe I'll try to put in the time
And yet, you are the one that claims ghost ball and the arrow are the only real way to aim. And that any other way is foolish and can't work. You are flip-flopping more than a fish out of water here.
Fyi, I did contact JB and asked him about you. He said the two of you met at the SBE and you were a really great guy in person. That's enough for me.
(although he also said the same thing about Pat Johnson when meeting in person)
Hmmmm. I'll take his word for it on this one. No more bashing. From what you posted above, you play strong.
Sounds like he plays too strong. So Jason if you ever make it back this way keep in mind -- I'll be out of town on vacation that week.
Lol. I'll be back the 9th, but won't make it out. One night in town to pick up my GF's kids then straight back to Baltimore
Nope. Played out of havre de grace - used to be played out of bel air
this is actually proven false by yours truly.....
there is nothing to "imagine" when i say visualize in my Shadow "Pat Point" method......
when i say visualize, i mean your going to have to not keep focusing back on the CB because your shaft is your aiming device alone. It is a gun. Like a gun you aim it not the bullet, at least in my method here you do.
It has nothing to do with Rote, though it strongly promotes it, because of its simplistic nature.......
i aim a small tip at a tiny point about the size of a pin head thats literally there always....
its not dependent on square light.....because just like outside, all you need for a shadow is LIGHT.....so eyeballs and light are all thats necessary....
it doesn't even matter where the pockets are as well....you could move the pockets.......l
you could move the light to outlandish angles so its only going to cast on one side and a long shadow......and so long as i can shoot the cut from the shadow side....its going to GO IN THE HOLE
bet what anyone likes i could use the money.
you see it didn't take me a decade to figure out how to make it work.......lol
it took me a decade to figure the actual proof of why it works......visually and geometrically
even Patrick Johnson is going to bang his head into the wall at the BELIEF of it......
but i'm going to do a write up on my thoughts on aiming in general and how most aiming styles are actually detremental to players for no good reason. and play ok inspite of their methods untill finally they have hit shit tons of balls.....but just about anyone can have great Rote or "feel" after a million.
know not who they temp with thoughts of plunder lord
-Greyghost
How long have you been playing?
Lol...what you have here is HAMB practitioner that developed his own visualization process through some long years of playing.....if you play long enough you'll realized that visual confirmation or feel is achieved with the eyes hence more focus is on the object ball (In rare case...you want the same focus on cue ball). When you're looking at the object ball sometime the connection you feel is much stronger if you can visualize your cue tip shooting not at the cue ball but at the object ball. This is a harder concept for some lower handicap players to understand but once I have them try to shoot a few shots where they are visualizing the cue tip is hitting the object ball (eg. If they are hitting 1 oclock on cue ball, they should visualize hitting 1 oclock on object ball)...they can experience it for themselves. Once you get the confirmation or connection established...you know your not going to miss the shoot
Having said that, it important to note that one of the goal of a good aiming system to teach a player how to aim so that eventually they don't have to aim at all as everything should be instinctive. The other goal, I believe is to help a player established their own visualization process (feel or confirmation) which I believe can be learned much faster thought if the player employ any one of these aiming systems available today rather than through a trial and error process. I believe once you get to a certain level of play....aiming becomes irrelevant as it should already have been established in your subconscious how you aim no matter how you arrive at it (HAMB or system). I know at the higher level of play, confirmation is not about whether you're aiming correctly but whether you understand the shot you're about to take. You may know all the secrets of the game but what I love is that you still have to execute it..lol.
Lol...what you have here is HAMB practitioner that developed his own visualization process through some long years of playing.....if you play long enough you'll realized that visual confirmation or feel is achieved with the eyes hence more focus is on the object ball (In rare case...you want the same focus on cue ball). When you're looking at the object ball sometime the connection you feel is much stronger if you can visualize your cue tip shooting not at the cue ball but at the object ball. This is a harder concept for some lower handicap players to understand but once I have them try to shoot a few shots where they are visualizing the cue tip is hitting the object ball (eg. If they are hitting 1 oclock on cue ball, they should visualize hitting 1 oclock on object ball)...they can experience it for themselves. Once you get the confirmation or connection established...you know your not going to miss the shoot
Having said that, it important to note that one of the goal of a good aiming system to teach a player how to aim so that eventually they don't have to aim at all as everything should be instinctive. The other goal, I believe is to help a player established their own visualization process (feel or confirmation) which I believe can be learned much faster thought if the player employ any one of these aiming systems available today rather than through a trial and error process. I believe once you get to a certain level of play....aiming becomes irrelevant as it should already have been established in your subconscious how you aim no matter how you arrive at it (HAMB or system). I know at the higher level of play, confirmation is not about whether you're aiming correctly but whether you understand the shot you're about to take. You may know all the secrets of the game but what I love is that you still have to execute it..lol.
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When you're looking at the object ball sometime the connection you feel is much stronger if you can visualize your cue tip shooting not at the cue ball but at the object ball. This is a harder concept for some lower handicap players to understand but once I have them try to shoot a few shots where they are visualizing the cue tip is hitting the object ball (eg. If they are hitting 1 oclock on cue ball, they should visualize hitting 1 oclock on object ball)...they can experience it for themselves. Once you get the confirmation or connection established...you know your not going to miss the shoot
Could you elaborate more, this sounds really interesting.
Not much to elaborate on really, you are basically just trusting your stroke and subconscious mind to aim for you. To improve you just have to hit more balls and if you use a system that helps your subconscious to deduce and improved on aiming...you'll get better faster. The more you learn, the easier it get...really no quick way around it.
Have fun.
Duc.
Have fun.
Duc.
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Agreed. However, if you have imprecise fundamentals you might be chasing your tail for years. Get a book like Mark Wilson's Play Great Pool and do what it says. If you can learn to stroke the cue straight back and straight forward you will improve much more quickly and you will realize that aiming is easy... it's delivering the cue correctly that is difficult.
Not trying to be rude here, but rather than aiming is easy, delivering the cue is difficult, I would say that many players who struggle stand differently day-to-day. Solve that--and there are good solves for this problem--and cue delivery is also very much improved.
Just last night, I spent an hour with a student who was complaining about his sighting and stroke at the table. We fixed his approach, pre-shot routine and stance, and he felt better and played beautifully.
Agreed. The whole body has to be oriented properly, and consistently, in order to allow a straight delivery of the cue.