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08-05-2020, 08:56 PM

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Not sure if its been said but to me the main reason that lower level players may not improve is entirely mental..

It could be lack of ambition to improve whether it be willingness to take advice or desire to put in the time to practice what you teach them. A big factor also that i see that holds lower level players back is confidence.
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08-06-2020, 04:16 AM

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Reality is mental so you might be correct.
Reality is you have players that think they are better than they are and then you have players that are better than they think they are.
  
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08-06-2020, 05:39 AM

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Not sure if its been said but to me the main reason that lower level players may not improve is entirely mental..

It could be lack of ambition to improve whether it be willingness to take advice or desire to put in the time to practice what you teach them. A big factor also that i see that holds lower level players back is confidence.

What i have run into during coaching during a time out in a league match is the reply...i cant do that . i have to admit that when i started league and was given a time out by a higher level player i said the same thing...i cant do that. He asked why not ? I said i am not as good as you. He then said....thinking like that you never will be.

Perfect example. I joined a team that had an old man who had played apa for several years and was an honest to gawd 2 in 8 ball. One day i gave him a time out and told him to pocket a ball in the side pocket instead of the shot he started to take in order to get better position. He says...i cant do that. I asked why not. He replied he always missed shots in side pockets . i replied if you aim where i tell you and hit the cue ball where i tell you it will fall..i said you just gotta get that negative thought out of your head and believe in your ability to shoot where and how i showed you.

So it falls and he looks up grinning ear to ear and says i made it. He gained confidence in his play and is now a decent 4. He still has the same fundamentals he has always had. His mental game was holding him back.. I know a 3 that is unwilling to take advice and will never improve. Some are willing to improve and others are not. Like the old saying goes...you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

I just dont see many people ...especially instructors stressing the importance of the mental aspects of the game. It seems like its all about stroke or aiming with them whi h is important also but not the end all be all that seems to be claimed so often.

The reality is that no one ever tells you how hard it is, and how much work it takes, to get really good at pool, or anything else.

Too many think they're going to take some lessons, adopt a pause in their stroke, read a book, or learn an aiming system and magically get way better.

ah, if it were only so easy.

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easy as one...two...three - 08-06-2020, 07:01 AM

Players ask questions constantly, but want the answer now, short, concise and to the point. Once the answer is supplied or demonstrated, they suddenly want to try it their way, first. Then they look around, and they have been left all alone... They ask more questions, but the persons with all of the answers have moved on, in a sense and left them in their wonderment.

They demonstrate no patience, and no appreciation for the players aid in their quest for improvement.

Most players value their time as precious, and have little to no free time to waste.

Most of them paid for their lessons, one way or the other. They paid a professional, or they gambled with much better players and lost money to pick up some tips.

For the eager beavers, a great lesson learned by most everyone. You never win the money back from the persons who took it from You. You have to find your own money sources or at a minimum, charge something for your time and effort.
  
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08-06-2020, 07:03 AM

Lifelong B Player here...

For those of us that have scraped and clawed along the way to modest improvement, one thing that I think is so often overlooked is the FACT that there are shots that require constant attention! I think too many people think that you just master a particular shot and you then own it. Personally, I have to constantly work on long straight in shots, rail shots, jacked up shots, my break shot, and max english shots just to name a few. If I take a few weeks off -- I basically have to start back over -- tuning up all these shots. It's not like I can just continually work on mastering NEW shots. There's just not enough time in the day.

Secondly, I think we oversimplify the passion/apathy dichotomy. As I find it hard to believe that there is a pool player on the planet that could be passionate about the game WHILE constantly firing balls into the rails. Short of being autistic or having some sort of diagnosable OCD like disorder I think the original passion that many new players feel can ONLY remain long-term if the player is capable of improving. So it's my view -- that the psychology of a player is fueled at least as much by their ability as the other way around.
  
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08-06-2020, 07:14 AM

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Reality is you have players that think they are better than they are and then you have players that are better than they think they are.
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08-06-2020, 10:18 AM

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I look forward to speaking with you.

I didn't go to an optitician. I was involved in a project through work and subsequently invited to participate with the project after some persons had to drop out. Identifying ocular dominance happened to be part of physical. Everything was very thorough and for the sighting portion more involved than the typical tests however I did those as well
There isn't any doubt which is my dominant eye.
  
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08-06-2020, 12:30 PM

That's a detailed response. I'm not saying whatever teaching you do is bad, or anything. People love lessons. Some would rather take lessons than really compete. I think that's great. There is something in pool for everyone, and I hope your calendar stays full to the brim with appointments!

However, could we be giving a little bit more credit to the dominant eye theory than it deserves? Are you leaving out the fact that before you even get down ON the shot, you should have already found the shot line and contact point on the object ball while standing up in your pre-shot routine? Jimmy Reid taught me this (I took a lesson or two once many moons ago) and it changed my game. This doesn't require a dominant eye to do. If you know how to do this part, you can almost get right down, close your eyes, and make the ball.



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There are great players all over the place that are opposite dominant. And it isn't a big deal. Some naturally got the dominant eye in a more dominant position naturally so they got playing better allot quicker than someone that didn't. Some lower level players never get the left eye over at all resulting in a permanent 3 rating in APA for the rest of their lives. Once they learn this the results are off the charts. They can see the shots as well as the others and the time they practice is not wasted just shoving the balls around aimlessly.

Unfortunately. opposite eye dominant players have the right hand, right eye on the right side of their body. Coming down on the shot becomes very challenging because they are definitely not in the correct position when they first start. I know because I'm one of them. I know because I have worked with so many lower level players that stayed lower level all their lives because they didn't ever get over to the left eye naturally.

Players that reach the pro level get there from shooting allot and repetition. Just like chopping wood with an axe your eyes and hands will coordinate eventually so you are hitting the spot on the wood you want to. This is so much like aiming a pool shot. With the axe over your head instead of under, you can favor the dominant eye in turn get better at being accurate. Took me a long time to get the eyes right chopping wood naturally. In the meantime not hitting the spot on the wood correctly resulted in almost hitting my leg with the axe a few times. Once I learned to favor the left eye a little, not knowing why this was, I could chop the wood fast and safer. I was only 13 years old. The start of learning how all this worked.

Shooting pistol at the hip would be the same. If you were left eye dominant you would need to get the head over a little and favor the opposite eye if opposite eye dominant. You can do it but it's a little more effort. But back in the old days if you got shot doing this because everyone shot from the hip and you were in a duel, being opposite eye dominant would be a problem if you didn't practice allot and got the eye over there naturally. Not a very fair fight. One guy is right eye dominant and the other is opposite and never naturally got under the left eye more dominantly correct. Resulting in a crappy shooter. In a duel, dead shooter.

Fortunately in pool we don't get shot. We just feel like it when we play for some money and the other guy shoots our nutz off.

It is not a trick to learn manually how to get the eyes in the most correct position. It can be learned by anyone by someone that understands how this all works.

Some of the players I have showed this to have become some of the top players in the world. How does this happen? They got the eyes in the most correct position possible at a young age. They skipped the natural learning curve of trying to get the eyes there from shooting a million balls and repetition. Learning how to get the eyes there manually they were able to make the other things in the game work so much better and quicker.

From doing over 2,000 lessons teaching how this all works and seeing the almost unbelievable results, there is no doubt that this is the most important thing any pool player could learn. Anyone that I teach experiences the same results. They just know how it is. They can see it with their own eyes. I even get calls sometimes when they tell their friends and the friends just blow them off. They know for sure and the friend discards it as goofy because he just doesn't know.

One of the testimonials on here from JV was that this would help many higher level players. I seen him play on some videos he sent me. Anyone can watch the same videos on this thread. He plays at a professional level for sure. But he could clearly see from our perfect aim lesson that this even helped him envision the shot better and gave him more confidence in the shot. It does happen naturally to a certain extent but by manually knowing you can get it perfect and perfect is so much better than guessing because it just doesn't look quite right.

Even other teachers that teach pool might think they understand this totally by just knowing someone needs to get the dominant eye in a dominant position but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

There is no video of this or book that gets this correct. This had to be figured out from scratch. Took 5 years on the road doing 15 to 20 lessons per week. A local teacher has trouble even dong one or 2 lessons a week. Run out of students that don't know it all.

Seeing the same things over and over it was pretty safe to say that this was a problem and this is how to fix it. I had unlimited guinea pigs, pool players, to practice the art of Perfect Aim and perfect it.

Just like many players on these threads that say this is how it is or that is how it is for sure, they have no idea really at all. I know this because I know much more of the story there is.

The first year I was teaching what I thought I knew it all. But in all reality, I only knew just a small portion of what Perfect Aim would eventually become. I named it Perfect Aim but it is not an aiming system. It became a complete shooting system that would help any player envision their shot perfectly all the time.

Coordinating the stance, grip, cue, stroke and dominant eye from the preshot to the ball going in the hole.

I had some Top teachers even try to discredit me, saying i just teach aiming which is so far from the truth. I teach every aspect of the game because this effects every aspect of the game.

This makes the game of pool so much more fun. And the players that unknowingly discredit what I teach are doing all players everywhere a great disservice.

From the beginner to the pro this is a must to know. At any level this will allow the player to improve so much faster.

Just like with a gun with a crooked sight, I'm just showing players how to fix their natural sights manually. But unlike a gun there is so much more that has to be done with a pool shot to make it work correctly. So much more.

Thanks for the input. Just trying to help the game of pool and the players that play the great game we all love. .


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08-06-2020, 12:36 PM

Exactly, Lou. It takes a lot of practice. A lot of "watching" and "studying" great players. It's good to take lessons for sure! And, you have to get in the grease and take your lumps! You have to learn how to play under pressure and deal with it. Learn how to excel under it. You have to ask yourself, are you a competitive person? Do you have a competitive spirit? I mean, ultimately the point of pool is not to attain enlightenment, it's to prove that your skills and game are better than your opponents. Like Vinnie said, "It's just some balls and a stick, man."

P.S. I'm not 100% sold on the pause. I've known some great players with no pause. Sometimes, when under pressure....I'll eliminate the pause and just "feel" the right time to release and I've played good that way. I learned that from Jimmy Reid as well. It's good for when you're feeling some nerves..

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The reality is that no one ever tells you how hard it is, and how much work it takes, to get really good at pool, or anything else.

Too many think they're going to take some lessons, adopt a pause in their stroke, read a book, or learn an aiming system and magically get way better.

ah, if it were only so easy.

Lou Figueroa


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Key here is almost get down right... - 08-06-2020, 01:56 PM

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That's a detailed response. I'm not saying whatever teaching you do is bad, or anything. People love lessons. Some would rather take lessons than really compete. I think that's great. There is something in pool for everyone, and I hope your calendar stays full to the brim with appointments!

However, could we be giving a little bit more credit to the dominant eye theory than it deserves? Are you leaving out the fact that before you even get down ON the shot, you should have already found the shot line and contact point on the object ball while standing up in your pre-shot routine? Jimmy Reid taught me this (I took a lesson or two once many moons ago) and it changed my game. This doesn't require a dominant eye to do. If you know how to do this part, you can almost get right down, close your eyes, and make the ball.
Our aiming all starts in the preshot. Almost, , , covers a huge area. Someones almost is way better or way worse than someone elses.

It all has to start there with the eyes, stance , body and stroke and there is only one best way to do this. Not one way fits all but a way to help everyone get it done. 7 foot tall. 280 pounds. Women are built a little different. We are all a little different. With some coaching on this we can all get to the best position to get it done. Trying to get this right is like thinking you could get professional results in your golf stance without any help. Ain't gonna happen.

You had the benefit of some help from Jimmy. I played Jimmy. Louisville in the 70's.

Jimmy knew his stuff. The old adage, stand up there where you see the shot good and step into it. Just isn't good enough. Once a player understands how this dominant eye thing works totally they know how far off this is.

Players don't need to know how to get the dominant in the most dominant position to envision the shot but if they want to see it perfectly knowing the dominant eye is a must.

When I do my lessons with anyone at any level my statement that this will cut your misses in half is usually an under estimate. Seeing the shot correctly and confidence go hand in hand.

If you don't know your dominant eye and don't know how to tweak it to see the shot perfectly it's no big deal. You just won't know why you missed the shot or missed the shape. You can just keep blaming it on a crooked stroke, jumped up or was distracted.

Not knowing how to get this dominant eye right will result in all of these and you don't even know it. Pretty sad. Because it can all be fixed at any level.

Just like some of my lessons that posted on this thread like JV's. He plays very well. Could play in any professional tournament and fit right in with the best. This even helps players that play at a higher level. I just need someone to teach. The results are always, You got to be kidding...........no matter what level.

This was unchartered territory when I first started learning how this works. I think at one time they thought the world was flat. Just heard about it? How could everyone be that wrong.

They just didn't know.

That's what everyone is doing in regards to what I teach. they just think so. They don't really know.

The think so's are all wrong. And they won't know any better until they see with their own eyes that the world is round and the dominant eye is the whole thing if you want to improve your game.

It effects every single thing you do when your down aiming a shot.

Like going hunting trying to shoot 200 yards with open sights on the gun.

I just show players where the scope is on their cue and eyes.

It don't get any better than this.

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Thumbs up There is something that I haven't shared on this thread. - 08-06-2020, 02:25 PM

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I look forward to speaking with you.

I didn't go to an optitician. I was involved in a project through work and subsequently invited to participate with the project after some persons had to drop out. Identifying ocular dominance happened to be part of physical. Everything was very thorough and for the sighting portion more involved than the typical tests however I did those as well
There isn't any doubt which is my dominant eye.
Someone that is left eye dominant is capable of shooting under the right eye like a gun. The players that can do this aim very well.

If they are left eye dominant this is not possible to get exactly under the left eye like a gun because it is too close to the left eye dominant position. They fight each other.

To get under the right eye has to start in the preshot or the player will sneak back over to the left eye from time to time.

Many of the player that shoot right under the eye like a gun are like this. The other is is probably their real dominant eye.

But then there are other players like this, as soon as they move the shot over to the other eye they actually get a headache. These players are hard wired the way they are and really envision the shots well.

This is a whole different bag of tricks. But the same basic fundamentals that help everyone work for these players with the exception of a few things that are of the charts as important.

With over 3,000 personal lessons and 10,000 mini lessons, seeing these things over and over I'm not guessing about this.

I don't know what they did to find the dominant eye, or ocular dominance, but I know how to find everyones on the pool table. I know this works. As far as everything else I just don't know. But when I find a dominant eye I make sure that the player can see it for themselves and they know this is their dominant eye 100% for sure.

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08-06-2020, 08:36 PM

Jimmy Reid's "equal angle opposites" (wonder who named it lol) was the Rosetta Stone for me. After years of drafting diagrams and angles it was like "Hey, retard..."
  
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Coming from someone that know's for sure and been there.. - 08-07-2020, 11:52 AM

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The reality is that no one ever tells you how hard it is, and how much work it takes, to get really good at pool, or anything else.

Too many think they're going to take some lessons, adopt a pause in their stroke, read a book, or learn an aiming system and magically get way better.

ah, if it were only so easy.

Lou Figueroa
I know you have been there and done that Lou. Your game and skill level reflect that for sure.

When players get down on a shot and they feel like they are just pushing the cue ball towards the object ball, just trying to hit it, that's terrible.

many player like you and myself never experienced this. We got there pretty close from the beginning so this didn't happen to us like what that the lower level players experience.

Once these players get a good look with their own eyes and can see what they are supposed to see if the eyes are right, they seem to get more interested in the game for sure.

I've seen players at lower levels get the good look by learning how to get the eyes right manually and soon the results are off the charts for them. Are they a champion? Not hardly. But they are playing the game at a little higher level immediately and now they are really hooked. They even show up at the pool hall to practice. And now they start to improve. The secret here is improve!!!!!!

The practice they did before didn't seem to do any good at all so why try to pound the nail in the wall with your forehead.

I've seen it over and over and over.

How can you play a pattern if you are just praying to make the shot? How can you even think about hitting the ball with a little English. The stick even looks crooked.

This is what these players go thru.

Fixing this in a real quick hurry is so rewarding to say the least.


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08-07-2020, 05:13 PM

I found out my aim is pretty good, but my CH always has right spin. Tried every conceivable cure...no luck.


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Your probably right eye dominant..... - 08-07-2020, 11:17 PM

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I found out my aim is pretty good, but my CH always has right spin. Tried every conceivable cure...no luck.
Shoot a shot to the right and the left with a bunch of low English each way. Cue ball about 2 ft from the object ball. About a 3/4 ball hit. Low outside each way. You will find that it is harder for you to get low left than it is to get low right.

Low right feels real natural and you can get out to the outside of the ball easily.

Low left not so natural feel and once you think you have left English keep the cue right there and raise your head. You might be surprised to see that you were more towards the middle of the ball than you thought.

Because the right eye is on the right side of your head the middle looks like the left side. So usually when you put left English on the ball your not getting what you think you are.

One of the things I fix that nobody even addresses.
  
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