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Neutral racker, every tourney, period - 11-02-2018, 11:36 AM

So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!




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11-02-2018, 11:46 AM

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11-02-2018, 12:00 PM

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So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!
This bunker you claim to have access to....is it built well, is it up to code?


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This bunker you claim to have access to....is it built well, is it up to code?
It is and it is... circa 1962. It's also well-stocked with plenty of Cap'n Crunch and Cocoa Puffs, Velveeta, Spam, Wonder Bread and Dave Clark 5 and Chad and Jeremy 45s. I'm in it for the long haul.




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So simple - 11-02-2018, 12:20 PM

This racking issue is simple to solve. Non-breaking player racks. If breaker doesn't like the rack let him pass the break back to the racker.
  
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This racking issue is simple to solve. Non-breaking player racks. If breaker doesn't like the rack let him pass the break back to the racker.
So the skill is in putting up gaff racks that you know how to break and your opponent doesn't. I think that's a bad direction.


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11-02-2018, 12:37 PM

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So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!
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11-02-2018, 12:41 PM

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So the skill is in putting up gaff racks that you know how to break and your opponent doesn't. I think that's a bad direction.
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I have an actual hurricane shelter in my garage
Wish I did... I may wanna come up and stay a few days with you next Sept / Oct. You're @ 6 miles ( give or take ) away. And speaking of such, a tornado warning was just issued for you north-county types @ 3pm. Hope nothing got hit.




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Wish I did... I may wanna come up and stay a few days with you next Sept / Oct. You're @ 6 miles ( give or take ) away. And speaking of such, a tornado warning was just issued for you north-county types @ 3pm. Hope nothing got hit.
Hurricane shelter...or dungeon?

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So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!
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11-02-2018, 01:54 PM

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So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!
Not going to happen unless it's at events with a ref at each table that is well trained in racking.

I remember there was a match between Dechaine and someone else where a bunch of time was spend on racking, the tour director had them get a rack boy. The racks that guy did were less than ideal to put it nicely LOL Not only where they not making a ball on the break, the breaks were opening up like they were breaking on sand. I would not bother going to tournaments if I knew that some random person will be racking for me.


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Not going to happen unless it's at events with a ref at each table that is well trained in racking.
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I believe the just-completed US International Open had one ref per six tables who also did all of the racking. If the players are mostly reffing their own matches, I think it's not hard for an area ref to handle at least four tables.


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So imagine this: neutral racker, EVERY tournament, NO eyeballing the rack, period. Balls are racked, ladies and gentlemen, break the balls.


So, what do you suppose would happen after all the "belly-aching" stopped? Shorter, less boring, WAY less aggravating matches, that's what. For all parties; players, officials and sweaters. Ok, yeah, someone here is gonna say "Well, then someone will bribe a ref / racker and someone ( who, obviously, won't be eyeballing the rack ) is going to get gaff racks." Ummmm... yeah. Sure, it's a larcenous world. And the "planned-and-paid-for" gaff rack is gonna happen MAYBE .000000000002 of the time. What this would get rid of is this maddening, endless, time-consuming clown-show of taking 15 minutes between games "checking" the rack / re-racking.

Ok, I'm now running for my reinforced bunker / bomb-shelter!
It is really funny how you guys over the pond try to invent something we in Europe do successfully for over decade Use racking sheets/table-tapping template and the problem is solved, end of story. Especially table-tapping template use at Eurotour is more or less flawless, balls are racked in 10 secs and there is no plastic to deal with after the break. In about 6 eurotour tournaments+10 European championships I played I remember maybe 2-3 times the table didnt rack perfectly because of the cloth gave a little over the course of the tournament. Ref came, retapped the table in 3 mins and the problem was gone. Whats not to like?

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