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3RAILKICK

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Hit it hard enough-something will go somewhere. That's what a buddy of mine preaches. Possibly change cb by a couple of tips/ vary speed and fire. In rotation games it often gets him another shot.

Might have to try it.

I guess splitting the energy of the shot improves random pocketing of a ball(including CB). A 'strategic blast" method.

Anybody have another favorite way to rearrange the furniture?

Assuming a Safe is not the right choice. As in-not available or equally risky.

I am not endorsing the 1/2 ball blast-just asking about it. To my knowledge there is no tape/video/Dr Dave slow-mo or instructor advocating this tactic.

I hope I have not stumbled on something that should only be 'gifted' and not openly discussed.;)

My buddy used to play some. But now he drinks some and plays less.

Take care.
 
3RAILKICK said:
Hit it hard enough-something will go somewhere. That's what a buddy of mine preaches. Possibly change cb by a couple of tips/ vary speed and fire. In rotation games it often gets him another shot.

Might have to try it.

I guess splitting the energy of the shot improves random pocketing of a ball(including CB). A 'strategic blast" method.

Anybody have another favorite way to rearrange the furniture?

Assuming a Safe is not the right choice. As in-not available or equally risky.

I am not endorsing the 1/2 ball blast-just asking about it. To my knowledge there is no tape/video/Dr Dave slow-mo or instructor advocating this tactic.

I hope I have not stumbled on something that should only be 'gifted' and not openly discussed.;)

My buddy used to play some. But now he drinks some and plays less.

Take care.
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It's the center to edge line, the single most important line in aiming.
 
A friend of mine used to use the "hit it hard, it's bound to go in somewhere" thought process. It didn't get him anywhere. All it made was a big mess and a lot of noise.
 
The 1/2 ball aim might make 60% of the shots that show up. Bert Kinister refers to this as the "greatest secret in pool". We teach awareness of it every day in school. I know it's one of the best banking tools in my tool box....SPF=randyg
 
3RAILKICK said:
Hit it hard enough-something will go somewhere. That's what a buddy of mine preaches. Possibly change cb by a couple of tips/ vary speed and fire. In rotation games it often gets him another shot.

Might have to try it.

I guess splitting the energy of the shot improves random pocketing of a ball(including CB). A 'strategic blast" method.

Anybody have another favorite way to rearrange the furniture?

Assuming a Safe is not the right choice. As in-not available or equally risky.

I am not endorsing the 1/2 ball blast-just asking about it. To my knowledge there is no tape/video/Dr Dave slow-mo or instructor advocating this tactic.

I hope I have not stumbled on something that should only be 'gifted' and not openly discussed.;)

My buddy used to play some. But now he drinks some and plays less.

Take care.
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For generating maximum motion on the table, you want a thinner hit than a half-ball hit. At about a quarter-ball hit the two balls leave the collision with equal speeds. Yes, this seems wrong, because for most half-ball hits, the cue ball and object ball will travel at nearly the same speed after they achieve smooth rolling. But for scramble shots, you don't want the balls rolling smoothly. You want them flying.

When you hit for a 45-degree cut, the cue ball and the object ball both leave the collision with 70% of the speed the cue ball had going into the collision. After the collision, if there is time enough, the object ball will slow down as it picks up follow and the cue ball will speed up slightly if it had follow. But for a scramble shot, you don't want to hit the cue ball with follow -- you want to hit it in the middle as for a break shot. And you don't want the object ball to have any time before it hits another ball, so it doesn't have time to slow down from rubbing on the cloth.

I've spent many happy hours achieving maximum motion in ring nine ball games and 21-ball rotation games. There is some skill involved in scramble shots, since you have to keep the cue ball on the table. We used to play that it was OK to knock object balls onto the floor.
 
Bob Jewett said:
For generating maximum motion on the table, you want a thinner hit than a half-ball hit. At about a quarter-ball hit the two balls leave the collision with equal speeds. Yes, this seems wrong, because for most half-ball hits, the cue ball and object ball will travel at nearly the same speed after they achieve smooth rolling. But for scramble shots, you don't want the balls rolling smoothly. You want them flying.

When you hit for a 45-degree cut, the cue ball and the object ball both leave the collision with 70% of the speed the cue ball had going into the collision. After the collision, if there is time enough, the object ball will slow down as it picks up follow and the cue ball will speed up slightly if it had follow. But for a scramble shot, you don't want to hit the cue ball with follow -- you want to hit it in the middle as for a break shot. And you don't want the object ball to have any time before it hits another ball, so it doesn't have time to slow down from rubbing on the cloth.
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If people want to see more detail on this stuff, along with useful related advice, see:

Regards,
Dave
 
if your asking if you don't really have a shot and just gear up and whack it half ball.....the answer is yes you have a better chance in doing that and making it somewheres than just randomly hitting the crap out the OB
 
Bob Jewett said:
For generating maximum motion on the table, you want a thinner hit than a half-ball hit. At about a quarter-ball hit the two balls leave the collision with equal speeds. Yes, this seems wrong, because for most half-ball hits, the cue ball and object ball will travel at nearly the same speed after they achieve smooth rolling. But for scramble shots, you don't want the balls rolling smoothly. You want them flying.

When you hit for a 45-degree cut, the cue ball and the object ball both leave the collision with 70% of the speed the cue ball had going into the collision. After the collision, if there is time enough, the object ball will slow down as it picks up follow and the cue ball will speed up slightly if it had follow. But for a scramble shot, you don't want to hit the cue ball with follow -- you want to hit it in the middle as for a break shot. And you don't want the object ball to have any time before it hits another ball, so it doesn't have time to slow down from rubbing on the cloth.

I've spent many happy hours achieving maximum motion in ring nine ball games and 21-ball rotation games. There is some skill involved in scramble shots, since you have to keep the cue ball on the table. We used to play that it was OK to knock object balls onto the floor.
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Bob-thanks

That's exactly what I was looking for-a Maximum Action Furniture Rearrangement Methodology.

Take care.

PS: I ran across an article of yours listing some aiming conventions. I enjoyed the use of the term 'bogus-ity'(read:bogus-ness) in the article.

Also Kranicki's book is an interesting read.
 
3RAILKICK said:
... I enjoyed the use of the term 'bogus-ity'(read:bogus-ness) in the article. ...
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That may be bogosity.

Some trivia: Mike Shamos was involved with the word bogus. From Answers.com:

It is claimed that bogus was originally used in the hackish sense at Princeton in the late 1960s. It was spread to CMU and Yale by Michael Shamos, a migratory Princeton alumnus. A glossary of bogus words was compiled at Yale when the word was first popularized there about 1975-76. These coinages spread into hackerdom from CMU and MIT. Most of them remained wordplay objects rather than actual vocabulary items or live metaphors. Examples: amboguous (having multiple bogus interpretations); bogotissimo (in a gloriously bogus manner); bogotophile (one who is pathologically fascinated by the bogus); paleobogology (the study of primeval bogosity).​
 
My Bad!

Bob Jewett said:
That may be bogosity.Some trivia: Mike Shamos was involved with the word bogus. From Answers.com:

It is claimed that bogus was originally used in the hackish sense at Princeton in the late 1960s. It was spread to CMU and Yale by Michael Shamos, a migratory Princeton alumnus. A glossary of bogus words was compiled at Yale when the word was first popularized there about 1975-76. These coinages spread into hackerdom from CMU and MIT. Most of them remained wordplay objects rather than actual vocabulary items or live metaphors. Examples: amboguous (having multiple bogus interpretations); bogotissimo (in a gloriously bogus manner); bogotophile (one who is pathologically fascinated by the bogus); paleobogology (the study of primeval bogosity).​
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Bob-

Bogosity it was/is. Bogos/bogus-still made me laugh.

I am accustomed to your more scholarly postings.

The Bogosity reference was funny and appropriate to the discussion.
 
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