1 hole and 14.1 Harder than Rotation Games?
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IMO the top pros have such overall knowledge, experience, mental control, object ball control, cue ball control and consistency that they can play or learn any game they want to in a very short time.
Rotation games are just a quicker payoff.
At the amateur level I think any non-rotation game that requires the player to also have to figure out patterns that fit their style or ability and are going to allow them to remain at the table, without making any errors, until they win are more challenging to play.
At one point in the TAR 28 1P match, Corey took quite a bit of time on a particular shot. He was telling us after the match that he had figured out 3 choices and they were all difficult to execute so he had to choose the one that he felt he had the best chance of controlling the overall outcome
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I think harder is a subjective term, but in my personal experience 14.1 takes so much more thought, concentration, and precision in position play thats 9 ball is the game I play when I want to relax a little.
No pocket pool game is harder than any other IMO.
It's all the same game just with different rules.
If you understand the game and strategy unique to each format than you can play well at any of them.
It's all the same game just with different rules.
If you understand the game and strategy unique to each format than you can play well at any of them.
I've found one pocket to be the most difficult. It's more of a chess match and the better player can really throw a lesser player off his game...imho
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Yes, with 14.1 the best foundation for all games especially 8 ball.
Mr. Johnnyt, the day will eventually come when you will say "I love one pocket". I'll give you a couple of more years.
I see the pros playing one pocket more and more although they do not advertise it.A top player who refuses to play any one pocket or pays no attention to the game can get beat by a player of lower skill level playing 1 hole.
14-1 is a game that has to be learned as well but I think a pro can pick it up pretty quick.
The dif between the 2 games is in straight pool you are essentially playing the ghost for long periods of time.
Rotation games do not have enough strategy to be an equalizer between players with pro level skills and players of less skill.
You see players like Corey who have the skill to execute any shot.But when playing one hole he has to think over each option carefully whereas most of the decisions are automatic for an experienced 1P player.
Johnny try playing some 1P or 14-1 on a real pool table (not a Valley) and see the skill involved to run 10-12 balls in 1 pocket or 80-90 balls in straight pool.
14-1 is a game that has to be learned as well but I think a pro can pick it up pretty quick.
The dif between the 2 games is in straight pool you are essentially playing the ghost for long periods of time.
Rotation games do not have enough strategy to be an equalizer between players with pro level skills and players of less skill.
You see players like Corey who have the skill to execute any shot.But when playing one hole he has to think over each option carefully whereas most of the decisions are automatic for an experienced 1P player.
Johnny try playing some 1P or 14-1 on a real pool table (not a Valley) and see the skill involved to run 10-12 balls in 1 pocket or 80-90 balls in straight pool.
LOL. No That day will never come as I hung up my cue for good about 2 months ago. The heart, skroke, or COPD didn't stop me, but the Arthritis did. Johnnyt
Sorry to hear that buddy.
Take care of yourself and enjoy your "retirement".
Take care of yourself and enjoy your "retirement".
It's all opinion. How do you compare?
What's the equivalent skill level in each game?
For example, what's the equivalent of a 100 ball run in straight pool for 10 ball? Is it a 10 pack? I would think it's more like a 4 pack, but that's just me. It's certainly not a 10 pack. That would be way harder than a 100 ball run in 14.1. Would any one argue that running 10 balls randomly is harder than running them in order? I doubt it. Does that mean 10 ball is harder? I don't think so. They are just different games. It's interesting to discuss, but who can offer proof in lieu of opinion?
What's the equivalent skill level in each game?
For example, what's the equivalent of a 100 ball run in straight pool for 10 ball? Is it a 10 pack? I would think it's more like a 4 pack, but that's just me. It's certainly not a 10 pack. That would be way harder than a 100 ball run in 14.1. Would any one argue that running 10 balls randomly is harder than running them in order? I doubt it. Does that mean 10 ball is harder? I don't think so. They are just different games. It's interesting to discuss, but who can offer proof in lieu of opinion?
100 ball high run is about equivalent to a A- 9ball speed. No, you can't compare runs in either game but you can make comparative assessments to a player's 9ball speed.
With a bit of practice or observation, an player like Earl should have a high run over 300, barring nincompoop table management. And all your TOP 9ballers should run almost that minimum. I have observed that your top players simply DON'T MISS, and that your other 9ballers who are considered great at 14.1 and are pro/open players but not top tier, eventually do miss.
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AND HE DOES!!! Earl's high run is more than Schmidt's 403, Earl's high run is 408.
curious why do you say that.
I agree
can you explain “equipment dependent”?
What theoretical truth are you talking about???? There is one basic element in ALL pocket games and that's to pocket the ball. This is not so in 1P.
And gamblers like 1P because it is the easiest game to hide their speed. 1P is about moves
They are different types of games, hard to compare as one being more difficult then the other TBH. 1-pocket is a slow game where you are not always trying to pot a ball and where you are not always under the gun to run out or lose. It is a thinking game and TBH there are alot of players I think I would have a better chance at beating in 1-pocket then in rotation pool because I can think through it. In rotation pool it largely comes down to stroke, the guy who strokes the ball better is a favorite, period. Rotation pool is VERY demanding on your fundamentals and pure shooting ability, 1-pocket is less dependent on shooting ability to a degree but requires alot more ingenuity and knowledge and patience.
Rotation seems like it would be a difficult game but still the balls tell you what to do. Shoot the one then two etc... I think to play any pool game world class takes major skill and dedication. For me personally I find 14.1 the hardest game to make look easy
