10-ball with 9-ball rules-why?

[CJ Wiley]

The more difficult situation favors the better player

Is 10 Ball harder to break and make a ball or 9 Ball?

The more difficult situation favors the better player, breaker, or shot-maker. In this particular case we're talking about the break, and Wade Crane was a good source of information on that subject.

Wade Crane was a great man and always eager to help a beginner, or someone that had a burning desire to play better, and learn the proper techniques.

What proof do you have of this happening? You constantly make comments like this but never give any proof. If you have no proof then it didn't happen.

ONB

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Wade Crane had the best break on the planet for a number of years. He used to laugh at Buddy Hall wanting to play 10 Ball instead of 9 Ball (because of Wade's break)

What proof do you have of this happening? You constantly make comments like this but never give any proof. If you have no proof then it didn't happen.

ONB

Is 10 Ball harder to break and make a ball or 9 Ball?

The more difficult situation favors the better player, breaker, or shot-maker. In this particular case we're talking about the break, and Wade Crane was a good source of information on that subject.

So then you have no proof that Billy ever laughed at Buddy Hall do you? Figures.

ONB

 

[Poolmanis]

The "new" 10 Ball rules have a fatal flaw.....they eliminate the "2 Way Shot," which is one of the most strategic, creative and challenging of all pool shots.

We play here Finland 10-ball call shot rules all tournaments but when we play money games with our friends everyone likes more 10-ball with 9-ball rules.
It´s just more relaxing game and extra ball and harder break make it tough enough.
A lot more fun if you ask me.

Also two-way shots are really big thing on pool.
You can hit some kinda banks right speed so if you miss it little tight side of pocket you got really good chance you make it two rails.
Just one example...

So 10-ball call shot rules takes away those shots and that´s a shame really.

One thing we keep from 10-ball rules.. 10 from break get spotted and breaker shoots..

 

[jsp]

So 10-ball call shot rules takes away those shots and that´s a shame really.

But as DogsPlayingPool has shown, the current WPA rules don't take away two-way shots.

 

[Cornerman]

But as DogsPlayingPool has shown, the current WPA rules don't take away two-way shots.

Poolmanis was talking about the two-way bank, specifically.

Freddie <~~~ Double Bubble!

 

[jsp]

Poolmanis was talking about the two-way bank, specifically.

Freddie <~~~ Double Bubble!

Oh, gotcha. Yes, the rules do take away from that. But that doesn't bother me too much.

 

[CJ Wiley]

this another version of the two way shot, "offense/offense"

I agree, playing a game without the two way shots being a factor robs the game of it's best qualities. I think with the other rules they must allow 1 or two "2 way shots and two way safes" a game.

A two way shot can also mean shooting at the one and also calling a carom on another ball, this another version of the two way shot, "offense/offense" ....the typical use of the term is usually "offense/defense" where you can shoot a shot and play safe as you indicated in your post.

We play here Finland 10-ball call shot rules all tournaments but when we play money games with our friends everyone likes more 10-ball with 9-ball rules.
It´s just more relaxing game and extra ball and harder break make it tough enough.
A lot more fun if you ask me.

Also two-way shots are really big thing on pool.
You can hit some kinda banks right speed so if you miss it little tight side of pocket you got really good chance you make it two rails.
Just one example...

So 10-ball call shot rules takes away those shots and that´s a shame really.

One thing we keep from 10-ball rules.. 10 from break get spotted and breaker shoots..

 

[lee brett]

2 years ago i voiced my concerns to Jay about the rules (I had just lost 11-10 to Kiamco) he won 4 or 5 racks due to the slop. At the time i was upset feeling it cost me the match, but it works for both players and i am sure the rolls will even out.

Jay and Greg have a great event and i hope to see a 10ft tour of 4-6 events, this is a great event and really shows the skill of the players.

 

[Mrdodd72]

Please...ONB you could spend the rest of your life contradicting pool stories and negating there validity based on what you consider "lack of proof." Give it a break, nobody is on trial here.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Please...ONB you could spend the rest of your life contradicting pool stories and negating there validity based on what you consider "lack of proof." Give it a break, nobody is on trial here.

Dearest Okie,

I'm honored that you wasted your 9th post in 1 1/2 years on little ole moi but understand this; I consider a "complete lack of proof" to be a lack of proof. If you want to believe everything you read here that's your problem.

P.S. I didn't "contradict" any pool story and "there" in this case should be "their".

ONB

 

[hang-the-9]

I sensed a debate starting in the 2015 DCC Bigfoot thread, and thought a separate discussion would be good.

One rule: keep it respectful, to each other, and to a great event.

The topic: why play 10-ball with 9-ball rules? Imo, it takes away from the nature of having a game that is separate from 9-ball. It just becomes 9-ball with an extra ball and more difficult break.

Your last sentence is exactly why people play 10 ball with 9 ball rules. Some just don't like the whole called shot thing, but do want a bit of a challenge without half the rack falling in off the break or the game ball going in due to a bad rack. I think the major thing some don't like about real 10 ball rules is the called safe and ability to give back a shot after a miss. For those, playing with the 9 ball rule is a compromise to take out the easier run outs and break while keeping the ability to crap out a win LOL

 

[Mrdodd72]

I appreciate the grammar lesson ONB. But I do not require hundreds of rambling posts to validate my point of view. These deflections, being such a “clever” form of rhetoric, still do not make it any less ridiculous to expect someone on an open forum to provide you with proof of a conversation they had with a third party.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

Personally I was skeptical at first, but the Bigfoot 10 Ball has become one of if not my favorite event of the year.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

I appreciate the grammar lesson ONB. But I do not require hundreds of rambling posts to validate my point of view. These deflections, being such a “clever” form of rhetoric, still do not make it any less ridiculous to expect someone on an open forum to provide you with proof of a conversation they had with a third party.

Do you know what "hearsay" is? Try looking it up. Poolplayers lie as much as they breathe.

P.S. Thanks again for wasting so much of your valuable time on me.

ONB

 

[Mrdodd72]

Do you know what "hearsay" is? Try looking it up. Poolplayers lie as much as they breathe.

P.S. Thanks again for wasting so much of your valuable time on me.

ONB

Of course they do, that's the point. Crying about proof is pointless. What's he going to do? Play a recording of the conversation? A notarized statement? A list of witnesses you can contact? Asking for proof on a forum sounds petulant.

 

[Paul Schofield]

There is a simple answer. Ten-Ball WPA Rules is a miserable, boring, dead-end, no-fun game. Few people play it and even fewer watch it.

In the 70s, I can recall Ten-Ball ring games with very good players (using Nine-Ball rules). I cannot remember anyone playing it heads-up.

 

[leto1776]

Please take off topic discussions and arguments carried from other threads elsewhere.

 

[Mrdodd72]

My apologies. While it did start here, your point is taken.

 

[Swighey]

The "new" 10 Ball rules have a fatal flaw.....they eliminate the "2 Way Shot," which is one of the most strategic, creative and challenging of all pool shots.

Complete and utter nonsense. The rules eliminate some two way shots and some "one way" shots (just as the "old" rules and various 8 and 9 ball rules eliminate some two way shots and some one way shots). The shots that are "eliminated" (which is actually quite a strong word for it) are not necessarily the same with each variation.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "creative"?

 

[Straightpool_99]

Call-shot, call-safe rules take all the enjoyment out of rotation pool and makes it an unbearably boring thing to watch and to play as well. I simply cannot believe that the people who like these rules can actually enjoy playing this way. It is like every whining poor loser in the pool world (God knows there are plenty of those) got their wishes granted, and now we must all suffer.

Even without the call-safe aspect, call shot 10 ball is boring and takes away many shots and opportunities. Especially offensive kicking suffers under these rules. On the other hand the rack in 9 ball has become a problem, which can be easily resolved by adding a ball. As a modifiaction this does not subtract from the game, like the call-shot/safe rules do. Therefore I think it is a good idea.