For once, I actually agree with CJ
The new 10-ball rules, including those of the Predator Tour, are terrible for two way shots.
10-ball with 9-ball rules-why?
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For once, I actually agree with CJ
The new 10-ball rules, including those of the Predator Tour, are terrible for two way shots.
It isn't boring. Yes it takes away shots and opportunities but so does every variation of pool. I guess it depends where you start from. What exactly do you mean by " takes away shots and opportunities". Seems a bit weird.
Again, given the current WPA 10-ball rules, I don't buy this. Other than the double-bank "two-way" shot that was discussed previously (which is not really a two-way shot), what are the other "many shots and opportunities" the current 10-ball rules take away?
How does offensive kicking suffer unless you're counting on luck? If you want to make an offensive kick, then call the pocket. If you miss and the CB winds up safe, then given the current rules your opponent can NOT pass back the shot to you. Thus two-way shots are not eliminated.
It is quite simple, really. Many times you will have a kick-safe where you have a decent chance of making the ball you are kicking at in one pocket or another Maybe you can kick it into another ball and carom it in or making the other ball on a combination shot. Sure there is an element of luck involved, but it still takes knowledge and skill to see these opportunities and to play the shot in the highest percentage way. There are even shots that are not kicks, which will give you the opportunity to make balls other than the one you are primarily shooting at. These shots are rare when top players are playing, but they do occur, and some are more adept of seeing and shooting them than others. If you want a "pure" game without luck, play bank pool or even straight pool (which does have slightly more luck in it than bank pool). The beauty of rotation pool lies in the creative shotmaking imho.
I can agree with this. Though, IMO the occurrences for such planned multi-OB opportunities are more rare than the typical fluked-in shot by your opponent.
Personally, I prefer rules in which only the money ball (9 ball in 9-ball or 10 ball in 10-ball) has to be called. That way, you don't eliminate the scenarios in which the money ball can be pocketed when pocketing another OB, but as long as you call it. Slopping in the money ball is the worst.
The thing about 9 ball that gets changed around the most in the name of 'fixing' the game is the rack. 1 ball or 9 ball on the spot, break boxes, and legal break characterizations were all attempts to get the game to be less dependent on the break shot alone. I don't recall much noise being made over the play of the game past the break shot (outside of the 2-foul rules revival movement, which is so small percentage-wise as to be a non-factor).
The way a 10 ball rack behaves accomplishes the goal, IMO. You can perfect technique through endless hours of diligent practice, but the rack doesn't give anything away.
There's a place for call shot/ call foul rules for die-hard pool fans, but the DCC Bigfoot challenge played as-is makes for exciting viewing by casual fans and, perhaps more importantly, new and prospective fans.
The way a 10 ball rack behaves accomplishes the goal, IMO. You can perfect technique through endless hours of diligent practice, but the rack doesn't give anything away.
There's a place for call shot/ call foul rules for die-hard pool fans, but the DCC Bigfoot challenge played as-is makes for exciting viewing by casual fans and, perhaps more importantly, new and prospective fans.
And there you have it... we need to now cater to "casual fans" to have a try to 'save pool'. Reward more 'less skilled' efforts (lucky shots) so pool will attract "new and prospective fans"... I think I understand now why pool is so attractive to so many sponsors.
Yeah, I got it...thats it!! We should simply make it were all winners on every pool game can only 'get paid' (win) if they 'luck in' at least 2 balls (or more balls) during any game.. otherwise no score (replay that game). NOW thats gambling!! Very entertaining too..... That way EVERYONE will want to joint in and pool will be saved.. I can see sponsors beating down the door now... make it so no skill it required and pool will by default, get better on its own.
WAKE UP!... NO ONE likes to loose (or see other people win) on the other persons lucky rolls.
Steve Lillis
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I think it would speed up 10 ball by playing with 9 ball rules and it would be better for the fans! My opinion of course! Thanks.
Once agian the game of choice is the distraction
9 ball on slow cloth is way harder then 10 ball on fast cloth so why change to a harder game when you have made all the games a joke by playing on fast cloth eliminating any need for a real stroke at all.
Play on a 10 footer with slow cloth? No biggie? Play on a 9 footer with old cloth big problem for anyone with a light Cue especially on a rainy day. And I do love rainy days. And the low deflection shafts will be worthless too.
Ditch the fast cloth and play pool the way it has been played for the life of pool. This new cloth makes any game less of a game.
Or put peach baskets where the pockets are now so every one can say maybe we need to start using 25 balls.
Nick
9 ball on slow cloth is way harder then 10 ball on fast cloth so why change to a harder game when you have made all the games a joke by playing on fast cloth eliminating any need for a real stroke at all.
Play on a 10 footer with slow cloth? No biggie? Play on a 9 footer with old cloth big problem for anyone with a light Cue especially on a rainy day. And I do love rainy days. And the low deflection shafts will be worthless too.
Ditch the fast cloth and play pool the way it has been played for the life of pool. This new cloth makes any game less of a game.
Or put peach baskets where the pockets are now so every one can say maybe we need to start using 25 balls.
Nick
I respectfully disagree. There is no good place for called shot / called foul in any of our three short games. (Eight, Nine, or Ten-Ball). All three games are more skilled and more fun to play and watch without it. And that goes for pros, average players, and novices alike.
I agree 100%.
The term "two way shot" is sometimes used to refer to a situation where you have the opportunity to pocket more than one ball with one shot - like calling a ball in the side while trying to drift down to knock in another ball hanging in the corner. That two-way is gone in 10 Ball because if you call the first one and don't make it, the 2nd one is wrongfully pocketed and therefore doesn't count. But usually the term is used to refer to playing a shot with the plan B of leaving safe if you happen to miss. These opportunities are especially useful where you can get position on the next ball if you make the shot but leave no shot for your opponent on the ball still in play if you miss. This is still there in 10 Ball under WPA rules as long as there is no foul or no ball is wrongfully pocketed.
As for the double bank mentioned, as far as I'm concerned that has nothing to do with a "two-way shot", that's called slop. That is a different debate.
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I like one miss per game. After that it's ball in hand. At least at the pro level. Any game can apply. I respect safeties but I don't respect taking the easy way out. These guys play every game there is to include bank pool. However you rarely see them try a bank. Even with the last ball on the table. Safe safe safe. Not entertaining to watch.
This is what you got out of my post? Wow... you're right. I want to see nothing but league players smashing the piss out of the cueball on every shot.
Let's just televise one-pocket for the masses of pool purists who are carrying around enough disposable income to make it worth it to sponsors.
"No good place" for called shot in 8-ball?
If so, then why exactly stop there? Why not eliminate call shot in straight pool, or at least allow for slop in everything but the break shots? Can it not also be argued that eliminating call shot in straight pool makes the game more skillful and more fun to play/watch?
No, call shot works well for straight pool, in particular for fans who'd otherwise have no idea what the pro player is trying to accomplish. In rotation games, one always knows what ball is being shot at and can usually deduce the purpose of the shot. Call shot has never been used in one pocket or snooker. I think it's less about tradition and more about the personal preference of players. Those who prefer call shot or even the "shootout" version of ten on which many of us grew up can certainly play by those rules.
As for me, I've seen the game played many different ways by pros and I enjoy Texas Express rules best, largely because it has so many multi-purpose shots that can be played.
Lmfao at "casual fans." Yeah, because casual fans definitely go out of their way to attend live events, or pay for accu-stats streams.
Old Nine Baller
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It never takes long for a hypocrite to "out" himself.
Your original question was answered 20 times by the time anyone offended your sense of propriety.
ONB