I'm still waiting for full contact 8 Ball, now that's evolution
10 YEAR OLD TIME CAPSULE POST ...Is the world ready for cues to evolve?
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Bastard pin, yes maybe. But precision and surgical, true. The design is borrowed from surgical screws.
On this point I agree 100%. New doesn't always mean better. Just because adhesives advanced, wood processing technology advanced, assembly techniques advanced, etc., there is still a person putting it all together & his skill is the ultimate point of success or failure.
The only exception would be wood. Whether it was a product of the most state of the art system of wood processing, or just a tree blown over in a storm, there's no way to 100% predict how it'll behave. It's a natural material & subject to nature.
Radial/ball screws were designed to have less play and backlash afaik.
DD can expound on that.
not available in US
If you can buy them, I'd pay you to get me some 13 mm and send them to the US. They won't ship here. I'd just like to try them for fun.
If you can buy them, I'd pay you to get me some 13 mm and send them to the US. They won't ship here. I'd just like to try them for fun.
You would think with all the advances in calendars and clocks that cuemakers would never miss a delivery date.. :thumbup: Clocks and calendars in computers, cell phones, etc.. jeez.. how the hell can you miss a date?!?!?!
I mean really, better materials, faster drying glues and finishes... so whats the deal??????
Can't get out of this one.. lol
Just kidding...
JV
I mean really, better materials, faster drying glues and finishes... so whats the deal??????
Can't get out of this one.. lolJust kidding...
JV
A chalkless cue would be fantastic. Nice thought Joe.
As for screw on tips... right now they're thought of as cheap but that could easily change. The shaft screws on, there's nothing inherently faulty about screwing things on. How about screwing on different tips for break vs. regular shot vs. jump shot or masse?
On the subject of chalk causing a needless mess... gloves make people feel like pansies, and powders looks like someone dropped a box of gold bond. How about a slick nano material that coats the shaft so that it refuses to get dirty chalk all over it, never needs sanding or cue silk, never squeaks or chafes in your bridge hand (even on a boiling hot day when you're sweating like crazy)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7is6r6zXFDc&feature=player_detailpage#t=10s
Thes folks are in England or Ireland and may ship to the US.
http://www.spinsterbilliards.co.uk/equipment/grip-tip/
Yeah Creedo I think that screw on tips could be made to use with a small wrench (like on a Dremel drill) and could allow the same cue to be used for jump, break, playing, etc.
That I agree with. And perhaps I am wrong about the inspiration of the radial pin's design. I'd have to ask Bill.
As for tight tolerances in joint pins, that's debatable. V-threads can but do not generally fit with a tight tolerance. This means as the two pieces settle together, there can be a tendency to rest to one side or another, putting the pin offset of center in the hole. The tighter the fit, the less off center the pin will come to rest. Shafts are cut flush to the butt with the cue assembled, or are corrected with sanding arbors. So long as the faces are never altered, the two pieces will join on that same alignment every time. However, refacing one or both of the components will result in a joint fit that is no longer flush, but will cock to one side. Given that the builder's joint machining on each component was within acceptable tolerance, then the tighter the pin fits the shaft the less worry there is that the shaft will shift offset when tightened down. The better the fit, the less it can move.
Is this not what piloted joints are intended to correct? To keep the shaft centered to the butt no matter how sloppy or tight the screw fits? If that logic is applied internally then there's no need for a pilot. That's what the Radial pin was intended to be, and is if used as directed. Call it marketing, "bastard", whatever you wish. Dilute & skew the term "precision" all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the Radial pin has a great fit with a high degree of accuracy that keeps the shaft centered on the butt. It may or may not affect playability, certainly isn't the only way to effectively put a cue together. But with a couple drill bits & a tap, anybody at virtually any level of skill can easily install a joint that fits flush & center every time it's screwed together. That is an evolution in cue making.
Here's a related thread I started 3 years ago on whether wood cues would ever become obsolete: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=153762
here's a viable wood substitute...
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/345878212/WPC_Outdoor_Antiseptic_Flooring_For_Wood.html
LOL, I make my patented negative deflection shafts out of this stuff!!!
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/345878212/WPC_Outdoor_Antiseptic_Flooring_For_Wood.html
LOL, I make my patented negative deflection shafts out of this stuff!!!
Tramp,
What price range are the MSRP's on these cues expected to be???
Maniac (may want the one that holds lunch :thumbup
Maniac, my good friend, these cues are currently under development, and have yet to be priced. Should any one of the three make it to the marketplace, the prices will be comparable to our Miracle, and Wonder cues, which are each priced at just over one hundred dollars. The Miracle, as well as the Wonder are two of our biggest selling models.
Perhaps you remember our motto: "If it's a straight cue, it's a Miracle." "If it's a good cue, it's a Wonder." :smile:
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Evolution...really???
Are we really saying that different screws, glues and dry'er wood qualifies as 40 years worth of advancement and would would actually be called the evolution of the cue after 40 years???
If thats all the advancement we are capable of, thats embarrasing.
To be clear...IM ALL AbOUT TRADITION...I GET IT...im not saying we need to change it, BUT IS NOBODY ELSE SURPRISED THAT ITS GONE UNCHANGED THIS LONG?????
For those of you who think weve come so far...can you imagine having a conversation with a pro golfer right now selling them on using wooden clubs??? Citing how advanced the clubs are due to the glues used, or the way the wooden end screws onto the wooden shaft, defending that its a game of precision use, and that it doesnt need to change...saying that walmart sell aluminum clubs for ten bucks and are junk. It doesnt need to change
By the way, Mr Stroud had posted a few years ago, that there needed to be MORE advancement in cues, mainly referring to Art, etc. He didnt seem to think cues had come a long way, and demanded more of cue makers to think outside the box.
How about this one...if it aint broke dont fix it...was the golf club actually broke??????????????????????????? Why then did they fix it, and by the way, holy crap, they fixed it. Was the 8 track cassette player actually broke??? yeah it ate tapes from time to time, the same way a cue warps, scratches and dents and splits from time to time. Was the record player broke? were pagers broke? Were propeller planes broke? Why the Jet?
New advancements replaced the old, and evolution came about. Each time, making things better in most cases. Advancement may not make the cue pocket balls easier, but could forever rid the game of things like miscues, deflection, cue warpage, denting, scratching, splitting, mushrooming tips, break speeds dramatically increased.
Weve made almost no progress in a break cue other than the taper, shortened ferrule and harder tip...that doesnt compete with the advancements made in a driver club, does it?????????
Isnt golf a game of tradition? How did they finally accept change? Were capable of sooo much more, why are we so resistant to change?
Is it because billiards had a more prestigious appeal to it in the past, and were trying to get it back? ...Top hats, suit coats, days of Minnesota Fats, etc.???
...By the way, I cant believe that nobody has figured out how to install a gps in the butt of a cue, I'd pay for that feature, it would be a sorry bastard that stole that cue :thumbup:
Lastly...Are we really still swinging a piece of wood with a hunk of leather into a cueball after all these years??? A caveman could have rounded up all essential materials in 1 hour required to make a cue that we use today.
...A piece of wood, and a hunk of leather.
EVOLUTION????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Are we really saying that different screws, glues and dry'er wood qualifies as 40 years worth of advancement and would would actually be called the evolution of the cue after 40 years???
If thats all the advancement we are capable of, thats embarrasing.
To be clear...IM ALL AbOUT TRADITION...I GET IT...im not saying we need to change it, BUT IS NOBODY ELSE SURPRISED THAT ITS GONE UNCHANGED THIS LONG?????
For those of you who think weve come so far...can you imagine having a conversation with a pro golfer right now selling them on using wooden clubs??? Citing how advanced the clubs are due to the glues used, or the way the wooden end screws onto the wooden shaft, defending that its a game of precision use, and that it doesnt need to change...saying that walmart sell aluminum clubs for ten bucks and are junk. It doesnt need to change
By the way, Mr Stroud had posted a few years ago, that there needed to be MORE advancement in cues, mainly referring to Art, etc. He didnt seem to think cues had come a long way, and demanded more of cue makers to think outside the box.
How about this one...if it aint broke dont fix it...was the golf club actually broke??????????????????????????? Why then did they fix it, and by the way, holy crap, they fixed it. Was the 8 track cassette player actually broke??? yeah it ate tapes from time to time, the same way a cue warps, scratches and dents and splits from time to time. Was the record player broke? were pagers broke? Were propeller planes broke? Why the Jet?
New advancements replaced the old, and evolution came about. Each time, making things better in most cases. Advancement may not make the cue pocket balls easier, but could forever rid the game of things like miscues, deflection, cue warpage, denting, scratching, splitting, mushrooming tips, break speeds dramatically increased.
Weve made almost no progress in a break cue other than the taper, shortened ferrule and harder tip...that doesnt compete with the advancements made in a driver club, does it?????????
Isnt golf a game of tradition? How did they finally accept change? Were capable of sooo much more, why are we so resistant to change?
Is it because billiards had a more prestigious appeal to it in the past, and were trying to get it back? ...Top hats, suit coats, days of Minnesota Fats, etc.???
...By the way, I cant believe that nobody has figured out how to install a gps in the butt of a cue, I'd pay for that feature, it would be a sorry bastard that stole that cue :thumbup:
Lastly...Are we really still swinging a piece of wood with a hunk of leather into a cueball after all these years??? A caveman could have rounded up all essential materials in 1 hour required to make a cue that we use today.
...A piece of wood, and a hunk of leather.
EVOLUTION????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'll see if I can. Never tried to actually have anything shipped here instead of to my U.S. address.
I'll let you know.
R,
Greg
Lastly...Are we really still swinging a piece of wood with a hunk of leather into a cueball after all these years??? A caveman could have rounded up all essential materials in 1 hour required to make a cue that we use today.
...A piece of wood, and a hunk of leather.
EVOLUTION????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[/QUOTE]
Dude, where have you been? There has probably been more so called advancements in cues in the last 10-15 years than in the previous 100 yrs.
Graphite, carbon fiber, laminated woods, and tips, to name a few. Is it woods fault, or a single ply piece of leathers fault that they do a better job at the end of the day, than all these advancements? No, it's not. This is a timeless game/sport, played with a timeless instrument/tool. Hopefully someday you'll get the chance to play with a 100+ yr. old brunswick, on a 100+ yr. old brunswick, and you'll understand.
...A piece of wood, and a hunk of leather.
EVOLUTION????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[/QUOTE]
Dude, where have you been? There has probably been more so called advancements in cues in the last 10-15 years than in the previous 100 yrs.
Graphite, carbon fiber, laminated woods, and tips, to name a few. Is it woods fault, or a single ply piece of leathers fault that they do a better job at the end of the day, than all these advancements? No, it's not. This is a timeless game/sport, played with a timeless instrument/tool. Hopefully someday you'll get the chance to play with a 100+ yr. old brunswick, on a 100+ yr. old brunswick, and you'll understand.
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