14.1 advice I have gotten over the years

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In response to Williebetmore asking why he has not been able to run 100 after 4 years, but why can guys in NYC do it all the time? I have to tell you - its all about the fish that are in the pond.

Its also all about mindset. Scott and Gerry hit on a few key points as well in the other thread. The best way I can describe it is like this:
In NYC/and surrounding areas of NJ - there exists many guys that will keep you in the chair forever and run 100+ like its no big deal. You have a choice of what to do when you are in the chair.

a) You can beat yourself up or feel sorry for yourself
b) You can take notes and learn

I had the opportunity to learn from Cisero Murphy, Steve Mizerak, John Ervolino, Jack Colavita, and Pete Margo. A lot of it was done by merely observing how they dealt with different clusters or how they played a certain sequence of shots.

Here are some priceless pearls of wisdom that I received from many great players over the past 30 years.

Cowboy Jimmy Moore
14.1 is NOT just about big runs - its about playing smart. If you don't have the big run, don't try to force it. The big run won't always be there, and every run has its end. It is much easier to execute an effective safety with 10 - 13 balls on the table than it is with 2 or 3. If you can get to the table and run 20-25 balls, lock him down and get back up and run 25 more and lock him up again, its just as effective as a big run of 50.

Jimmy Caras
Don't get lost. Many players just go for the open shot with little or no thought about what they are doing and then they end up paying for it when trying to set up the break shot. Plan ahead for the end of the rack when you have the opportunity, and if you don't, be smarter than the situation.

Steve Mizerak
The balls know when your confident and when you aren't. When you have a tough shot and you stare down at the ball, don't allow it to win the stare down. The point is that either you can control the balls, or the balls can control you.

Cisero Murphy
Cisero used to always tell me "Neat in, neat out" and it related to break shots, clusters, and moving the cue ball. Cisero taught me to recognize a player's skill by how smoothly he moves the balls around. 14.1 is not a game that can be mastered with sloppy form, sloppy break outs, or sloppy patterns. Letting go of the cue ball in 14.1 is the absolute worst thing you can ever do. 14.1 is not 9 ball, and 2, 3, and 4 rail position to get on any shot means you lost control somewhere or made a bad choice.

Willie Mosconi
In 14.1 - the better player doesn't always win, but the smartest players always does! Play smart, and take nothing for granted, no matter how easy or routine any shot is. Lapses in concentration or getting careless create opportunities for your opponent.

Take pride in how you shoot the balls. I have always said that when Willie hit a ball, it was like the balls moved differently for him - like the knew who he was and out of respect for who he was they followed his direction. Willie always had command of the table, and he took pride in his work.

Hal Mix

Prepare and then execute. There is nothing worse than being lost with just 3 balls on the table. A lot of players think that 14.1 is a game where you have the freedom to just keep hitting any ball that you want into the pockets. There is more to it than that. A lot of players end their run because they shoot the wrong ball at the wrong time and eventually it catches up to them. Pay attention to sequences - that is why I love any 14.1 accu-stat tapes that have Grady Matthews calling the action. Grady always sees the correct sequence and that is due to a trained eye from years of experience playing the game.

Lou Butera

Stick with what works. This means setting up for a break shot that you are familiar with. You won't always have the same break ball every time, however you should stick with what works for you the best.

Gene Nagy
Watch what the balls do. Recklessly slamming the cue ball into the rack achieves absolutely nothing. Practice your break shots, especially your secondary break shots, and watch what the balls do. Different speeds of stroke will achieve different results. Learn how to work in small sections of the table. Get the balls open and then get behind them. Splattering the balls all across the table can eliminate your chances of leaving a ball close to the stack. Plan your break shots and your sequences to where you get above the rack, not under it.

Here are some tips on sequence and break shots also.

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Good stuff, BJ, thanks.

IMO, it's doing the little things better that can lead to more frequent big runs.


Eric
 
Blackjack,
Great info. Many thanks.

P.S. - so you're sure it's not something in that NYC water???? I guess I'll go practice.
 
Thanks for posting this Blackjack, 14.1 is quickly becoming one of my favorite games. Unfortunatly since nobody around here plays it, I don't have anyone to learn from. Also not having an opponent leads me to often go for the run when I should be playing safe.

SGM
 
this is where a lot of players miss opportunities. shoot the "easy" 3 and bring the cue ball over to the area by the 10 ball...shoot the twelve into the top left pocket...then the 15 in the bottom left pocket...then the 7 in the top...eight in the bottom. nothing needs to be moved...and the pattern is very common and simple...just need to recognise it.

watch great players like danny "mother goose" barouty and steve "slipsky" lipsky (nyc) and you'll see the same patterns on the same types of clusters. like this one.

poolmouse
(who ran 126 back in 1979 when it was more than just a game for me)
 
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Awesome stuff! Here are some pearls you just made me think about it in different ways than I had before...

Blackjack said:
Steve Mizerak
The balls know when you're confident and when you aren't. When you have a tough shot and you stare down at the ball, don't allow it to win the stare down. The point is that either you can control the balls, or the balls can control you.

Cisero Murphy
Cisero used to always tell me "Neat in, neat out" and it related to break shots, clusters, and moving the cue ball.

Willie Mosconi
Lapses in concentration or getting careless create opportunities for your opponent. Take pride in how you shoot the balls.

Gene Nagy
Get the balls open and then get behind them.

Your diagrams, as always, are excellent as well. Thanks for sharing, David!

- Steve
 
One thing both Rempe and Grady espouse is the idea that once the balls all have pockets, there is no need to break them open. A lot of players think that because balls are close together, they need to send the cue ball into them. I think this is one of the most common mistakes made in 14.1, as going into balls that already have pockets can easily create problems that did not exist before. Examine the table carefully and see if you can get position to pocket the balls without moving anything. This way, nothing is left to chance or risk except your control of the cueball.
 
memories

Thanks Blackjack, reminds me of when I was a teenager and I used to dream of these patterns. Jimmy
 
Excellent advice. I am learning I need as much help as possible with 14.1. I have been getting beat badly the first two weeks of my Straight Pool League.
 
I just recently purchased an Accu-stats match featuring Grady M. versus Dallas West. Grady ran a little over 100 balls, then ran out the match in his second inning. He had NO easy lays the entire time...but like a surgeon he picked apart each rack and created a break shot for each frame. It was superb play. He had some break shots where he could only get a good break by his knowledge of english application (meaning the angle wasn't ideal by any means). I've seen great 150 and outs before, and other runs...but this run which was soley based on pure knowledge was such a great thing to see and learn from. I highly advise buying this particular tape.

Grady is known for his one-pocket, but he is a superb straight pool player as well!
 
Matt_24 said:
I just recently purchased an Accu-stats match featuring Grady M. versus Dallas West. Grady ran a little over 100 balls, then ran out the match in his second inning. He had NO easy lays the entire time...but like a surgeon he picked apart each rack and created a break shot for each frame. It was superb play. He had some break shots where he could only get a good break by his knowledge of english application (meaning the angle wasn't ideal by any means). I've seen great 150 and outs before, and other runs...but this run which was soley based on pure knowledge was such a great thing to see and learn from. I highly advise buying this particular tape.

Grady is known for his one-pocket, but he is a superb straight pool player as well!

Matt,
Grady has 2 other VERY strong performances on Accu-Stats. I can't recall the opponents, but you can definitely see some old-school 14.1. They are just as good as the performance you describe. I'll see if I can dig out the names for you - you would enjoy them.
 
Matt_24 said:
I just recently purchased an Accu-stats match featuring Grady M. versus Dallas West. Grady ran a little over 100 balls, then ran out the match in his second inning. He had NO easy lays the entire time...but like a surgeon he picked apart each rack and created a break shot for each frame. It was superb play. He had some break shots where he could only get a good break by his knowledge of english application (meaning the angle wasn't ideal by any means). I've seen great 150 and outs before, and other runs...but this run which was soley based on pure knowledge was such a great thing to see and learn from. I highly advise buying this particular tape.

Grady is known for his one-pocket, but he is a superb straight pool player as well!

Matt

You and I have talked at length about Grady's knowledge of this game. I believe that he one of the greatest living resources to learn ANY game on a pool table. Grady is one of the great "all around" players from the era of Hall, Mizerak, Sigel, Lassiter, etc. Grady's vast knowledge of all games has prolonged his playing career. Grady definitely deserves a spot in the hall of fame, and IMO, he has paid the price for that honor many times over.
 
Well, there's something else too: the equipment.

If you're in a "14.1 environment" IOW someplace where they play a lot of 14.1, the equipment is going to be set up to favor that game. Clean Simonis; nice clean balls that aren't all old, different sizes, and pitted; level tables; a cue ball that matches the object balls; and not too tight pockets.

The balls will break open and spread when you go into them without having to use a sledgehammer break; they will slide in a bit, hitting rail first before the pocket; they will roll true even when you're slow rolling a ball; and the pockets will take a hard accurate shot without jawing the ball.

Big difference from equipment where all they play is 9ball and may not pay as much attention to such nuances. With some equipment a 40 or 50 ball run is something to be proud of. On others, it's hard not to run a lot of balls.

Lou Figueroa
 
Blackjack said:
Matt

You and I have talked at length about Grady's knowledge of this game. I believe that he one of the greatest living resources to learn ANY game on a pool table. Grady is one of the great "all around" players from the era of Hall, Mizerak, Sigel, Lassiter, etc. Grady's vast knowledge of all games has prolonged his playing career. Grady definitely deserves a spot in the hall of fame, and IMO, he has paid the price for that honor many times over.

Blackjack,
I definitely agree. Matt probably realizes this, but I'll mention it anyway; Grady does give lessons. I've had the pleasure of working on straight pool for a day with Grady - definitely one of the high points of my pool "career." He is extremely knowledgeable as well as entertaining. Double thumbs up.

I also have worked with Danny DiLiberto on 2 occasions, and can say the same things about him. Working with the old-school "masters" is definitely an eye-opening experience; and one that can definitely save one some time in learning some of the finer points of the game.
 
Blackjack said:
Matt

You and I have talked at length about Grady's knowledge of this game. I believe that he one of the greatest living resources to learn ANY game on a pool table. Grady is one of the great "all around" players from the era of Hall, Mizerak, Sigel, Lassiter, etc. Grady's vast knowledge of all games has prolonged his playing career. Grady definitely deserves a spot in the hall of fame, and IMO, he has paid the price for that honor many times over.

I agree with you 100%. It would really be a travesty if Grady doesn't make it into the HOF. I'm sure many players would already assume he is a hall of famer if they didn't know any better.
 
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