14.1 High run record on a 5X10 tsble

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Stuart Pettmen was given credit for establishing the World Record high run for 14.1 on a (5X10) by running (117) balls. This happened at last year's Derby City Classic straight pool challenge. The run starts at (1 hr & 12 min) in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQSmvfbHWg

I remember reading that Willie Mosconi held the (5 X10) 14.1 high run record with over (200) balls. I did a little research and found this poster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willie-Mosconi-Event-Poster-1947-World-Pocket-Billiard-Champion-Brunswick-/301370637636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item462b16fd44[/url]

Which world record is correct?
 
bigskyblue said:
Stuart Pettmen was given credit for establishing the World Record high run for 14.1 on a (5X10) by running (117) balls. This happened at last year's Derby City Classic straight pool challenge. The run starts at (1 hr & 12 min) in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQSmvfbHWg

I remember reading that Willie Mosconi held the (5 X10) 14.1 high run record with over (200) balls. I did a little research and found this poster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willie-Mosconi-Event-Poster-1947-World-Pocket-Billiard-Champion-Brunswick-/301370637636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item462b16fd44[/url]

Which world record is correct?
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I believe the run by Stuart Petman was the highest Recorded run on a 5x10
 
I think the term world record high run is being thrown around way too loosely these days. The record on a 5x10 is in the 309 range by Irving Crane I believe. Although Stuart P run was 117, it r was great on the table it was on, but it was an exhibition run without an opponent. I believe firmly that criteria has to be set and the term "world record" has to be more clearly defined.

-Dennis
 
The fact that the run was caught on video, doesn't make it a world record. Just the highest recorded run on a 10-footer. It is obviously and childlishly misleading on purpose.
 
Does anybody really think 117 is the highest ever run on a 5x10? Really?

I thought the record was held jointly by Mosconi and Crane at 309. I don't know if they are official records or not. It seems you have to buy a copy of the BCA rules and records book to see what the current records are.

By the way, 309 is exactly 22 racks plus the break ball for the 23rd rack. So it seems they both couldn't make anything of rack 23.
 
I'm 100% sure that I could make a world record, playing 14.1 on an African made 13.5-footer caught on beta tape with elephants roaming in the background at dawn if I could just get the equipment right now in right place at a right time.

There's only one world record on a 10-footer and that's not 117.
 
mjantti said:
I'm 100% sure that I could make a world record, playing 14.1 on an African made 13.5-footer caught on beta tape with elephants roaming in the background at dawn if I could just get the equipment right now in right place at a right time.

There's only one world record on a 10-footer and that's not 117.
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I agree. Max Eberle was the first to coin this "recorded-on-video" new-category-for-world-record thing, and to be honest, it's just salesmanship, pure and simple. There's no such thing as a separate category for records "caught on video." When Max was going around claiming his run as a "world record," I caught a little grief for calling him out on the salesmanship.

I believe Irving Crane's 309 is the world record, because in the end, it is the NUMBER, not the background recording method, that counts.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
I agree. Max Eberle was the first to coin this "recorded-on-video" new-category-for-world-record thing, and to be honest, it's just salesmanship, pure and simple. There's no such thing as a separate category for records "caught on video." When Max was going around claiming his run as a "world record," I caught a little grief for calling him out on the salesmanship.

I believe Irving Crane's 309 is the world record, because in the end, it is the NUMBER, not the background recording method, that counts.

-Sean
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According to "Willie's Game" pg. 124 Irving Crane set the mark at 309 balls in Layton, Ohio in 1939. Willie equaled it in Perth Amboy, New Jersey in October 1945. While playing Joe Procita.
 
309 is a strong number I recorded the video for stuarts 117. It was a tough table and his first week ever playing 14.1. So i agree not a record but a heck of a good run
 
Obviously, Pettman's run is not the record, and to be honest, it was done on crazy tough equipment. Guys like Archer and Schmidt couldn't manage more than a run in the seventies on that equipment and they are magnificent straight poolers.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no way that Irving, whom I counted as a personal friend, could have run 309 on the equipment used in the 2013 DCC 14.1 challenge, but his 309 is, nonetheless, a record.
 
sjm said:
Obviously, Pettman's run is not the record, and to be honest, it was done on crazy tough equipment. Guys like Archer and Schmidt couldn't manage more than a run in the seventies on that equipment and they are magnificent straight poolers.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no way that Irving, whom I counted as a personal friend, could have run 309 on the equipment used in the 2013 DCC 14.1 challenge, but his 309 is, nonetheless, a record.
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A quick correction Stu, John did not attend the DCC the year we played on the 5 x 10, its the only straight pool challenge he didn't play in. I do agree that the tables played crazy tough and had the top players pulling their hair out.
 
Marop said:
A quick correction Stu, John did not attend the DCC the year we played on the 5 x 10, its the only straight pool challenge he didn't play in. I do agree that the tables played crazy tough and had the top players pulling their hair out.
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My mistake, Bill. Thanks for the correction. Hope to see you and John there. The DCC 14.1 Challenge is one of my favorite events on the pool calendar for sure.
 
sjm said:
My mistake, Bill. Thanks for the correction. Hope to see you and John there. The DCC 14.1 Challenge is one of my favorite events on the pool calendar for sure.
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John will be there and Dennis and myself will be running things as usual. I want to thank you for your support of the 14.1 challenge again this year. It's people like you that keep the DCC challenge alive.

-Bill
 
Marop said:
John will be there and Dennis and myself will be running things as usual. I want to thank you for your support of the 14.1 challenge again this year. It's people like you that keep the DCC challenge alive.

-Bill
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The vision of Bob Jewett and the hard work you and Dennis (and Elvicash) put in annually running the event are the foundations on which the event stands, and the excellence of John and the other superstars of 14.1 is what makes the event so exciting.

Supporting the event financially is just my way of applauding all of you guys for having built something so special.
 
LightsOut said:
I would like to hear Mr. Pettman's comments on the equipment vs a 12' snooker table!
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I don't think he posts here but you can find him on FB occasionally. He is not a big poster there either.

Probably wasting his time in a pool room running out from everywhere. That's a pool player for you.
 
14.1 High run record on a 5X10 table

Bob Jewett said:
I think that was Layton, Utah.
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After checking the internet you are correct !! :thumbup:

Crane beat his opponent in an exhibition match 150 and out ... as the crowd requested, he continued to 309 to shatter the old record of 244. Following is a copy of the Wikipedia article: Irving Crane - Early Life

In February 1939, at age 26, Crane ran 150 balls and out against his opponent in an exhibition straight pool match on a difficult 5' by 10' table in Layton, Utah. While this was impressive in and of itself, at the crowd's urging, he continued his run, ultimately pocketing 309 consecutive balls thus shattering the previous world record of 244 consecutive balls.[

My original info came from an apparent misprint in Willies' book. ... pg. 124 reads Layton, Ohio

Do you know who had the old record???

Keep Shooting ... Straight !!!
 
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