Baseball is different.. there is always a chance for a home run until the end of the game! not one pitch like 14.1!
14.1 not fair both players should be given a chance to run balls
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Baseball is different.. there is always a chance for a home run until the end of the game! not one pitch like 14.1!
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about this. Defense is part of the game. If choose not to accept that, then I see no point in continuing the discussion.
I am talking about the 1st rack, player that wins the toss/lag could have a huge advantage if he played great safety break or severe disadvantage if he leaves a dead ball in the rack and his opponent runs 150 and out! I agree during the match if both did not hit the 150 and out, safety is critical then and good safety battle is encouraged.
Anything you do to make the game more fair, undermines what makes the game great. Besides, you can't give a player ball in hand to try to run 150 when the winner might have had to start with the cue ball frozen on the cushion, shooting a long shot. And if you remove a players ability to run 100-200 balls, then it evens out the playing field for middle and lower level pros. It takes a truly elite player to be able to run 100+ on a regular basis in competition. Take that away from them and you'll get more upsets. As others have said, it's not league play.
Is it fair for a player to have a huge advantage like that? Shouldn't he be nice and leave the opponent a shot?
Naji my friend.
Please go learn the game, Equal Offense.
I think that game is more suitable to your liking.
Research it and learn it, but remember, it is NOT 14.1.
If it is fair for Player B to have an opportunity to shoot again after Player A reaches 200, then it would not be fair for Player A to have to stop shooting when they get to 200 either. They should keep going until they miss or play safe. Then the bar would be set for Player B.
A test of will
Straight pool is a test of a mans will, he must stay in control of the situation when given an opportunity. There's much to be said about a person who can retain concentration through a lengthy contest where one mistake can prove fatal. That to me is one of the beautiful things that straight pool gives to us, and to change the rules would be an injustice to the game and the champions that play it.
Bill Incardona
Straight pool is a test of a mans will, he must stay in control of the situation when given an opportunity. There's much to be said about a person who can retain concentration through a lengthy contest where one mistake can prove fatal. That to me is one of the beautiful things that straight pool gives to us, and to change the rules would be an injustice to the game and the champions that play it.
Bill Incardona
Well said, Bill! Some of the hardest things I've had to impart to people teaching them Straight Pool is that a scratch does not give ball in hand anywhere, that three fouls is not loss of game, and that it is important to learn to shoot spot shots. Without study of the game, all these points are difficult for people who have played only the current rules 8 ball and 9 ball. Also, the idea that the game continues through multiple racks, with one rack leading into another.
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I assume you wanted high run so to give a chance to the other player get to the table! correct me if i am wrong!
It is a great game, I play it a lot. It looks simple but the problem is frequently there aren't any good balls available for a break shot after the initial break.
If you want everybody to have the same chance at a game resembling 14.1 that's your game. It would be interesting to see an equal offense challenge at the DCC or another major tournament to see what scores the top players could produce. I doubt anybody would post a 200.
Naji's idea is not THAT far fetched. In 3-cushion league it is customary for the players
to have an equal number of turns at the table. So in case the players who played the
first shot scores enough points to win the match the other player gets one more turn.
Basically what Naji is saying (and I happen to agree) that in a tournament that is for all
intents and purposes the world championship it is a little silly that 1 less then perfect break
shot can be the only shot you get in a single k.o. tournament match if you lose the lag.
gr. Dave
to have an equal number of turns at the table. So in case the players who played the
first shot scores enough points to win the match the other player gets one more turn.
Basically what Naji is saying (and I happen to agree) that in a tournament that is for all
intents and purposes the world championship it is a little silly that 1 less then perfect break
shot can be the only shot you get in a single k.o. tournament match if you lose the lag.
gr. Dave
No I would like to see a longer race for the final is what I'm saying. They went from 100 to 150 to 200 why not 250 and 300
Thanks Billy, i agree with you and all for a local 14.1 event where the damage is minimal if someone sits on the chair while his opponent is doing 150 and out, for international players that are investing thousands to just participate and not hit a ball, i find this logically not fair or even discourages international 14.1 events. This is the main reason they went to alternate breaks on other games so equal opportunity present for both players. I am not asking for much here? i am sure not many would have appreciated it if Darren runs 200 and out due to lucky 1st shot and SVB just racks all the time! or Efren racks all the time!
I certainly agree to meet half way and accept higher runs like other poster suggested say 300 or higher, this way players chances to come back to the table are very high.
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Nicely put. Thanks.
Question - Call Shot Break
Does anyone know of a match where the breaker calls a ball, makes it then runs out? Where the opponent truly doesn't get a shot, in 14.1
But I agree if you do a bad break and your opponent runs out, you had your chance.
I have seen hard break and run in 1 pocket and most other games but not aware of it in 14.1 Maybe it has happened and if so I hope there is video.
This does not count for setup breaks on for all 15 in the rack.
Does anyone know of a match where the breaker calls a ball, makes it then runs out? Where the opponent truly doesn't get a shot, in 14.1
But I agree if you do a bad break and your opponent runs out, you had your chance.
I have seen hard break and run in 1 pocket and most other games but not aware of it in 14.1 Maybe it has happened and if so I hope there is video.
This does not count for setup breaks on for all 15 in the rack.
Naji...your rule is not fair to the original player who runs the 150 and out. He had to make that run being cognizant that if he misses, his opponent will get to the table, so his shot selection is much more conservative.
Under your rule, the incoming player with a 'chance' to equal his opponent's feat will have the opportunity to take much more aggressive shot selection, and can play much looser, an opportunity not available to the 1st player.
So...even under your rules, the chances are not even.
But even if you could find something to make it even, 14.1 should NOT be changed. If you don't like it, find another game that suits you.
Under your rule, the incoming player with a 'chance' to equal his opponent's feat will have the opportunity to take much more aggressive shot selection, and can play much looser, an opportunity not available to the 1st player.
So...even under your rules, the chances are not even.
But even if you could find something to make it even, 14.1 should NOT be changed. If you don't like it, find another game that suits you.
There's no need to change one of the greatest pool/billiards games ever invented. We should be excited to see excellence in any game. Sadly too many want to drive excellence (in this case high runs) from any game just so everyone can have a better chance at winning. I often wonder if this is the gamblers mentality.