14.1 not fair both players should be given a chance to run balls

I just can't get where you're coming from on this. I remembered a short time ago, that I was involved with something, had to do with Pool and Billiard Magazine, if I remember right. It had to do with something like Equal Offense and it was nation wide. I was the local/regional rep. I don't recall just how it went but I do remember that it died because the better players refused to participate. It had some kind of handicap that doesn't come to me at the moment but the good/better/pro players didn't like it because it gave them less chance to win, or some thing like that. In my experience, making the game easier, which is what you're referring to, does not make the game better or more popular. As I said before, if you were to poll the players, I'd say they were not interested in making the game "fair". If memory serves, {and it may not:o} after Zuglan had Sigel run 150 and out on him, his next opponent was Ray Martin, who, after Mike broke again, ran something like 86. Zuglan then got out of his chair and ran 149. The game is what it is. It doesn't need to made "fair". It's a game of all around skill, and a little luck. And, sometimes. luck is what you make of it.
 
SVB lost he had his chances. I am talking about 150 and out without any chance other than 1st shot.

In that scenario, each player had an equal # of innings. the winner outplayed the loser.

Sounds pretty fair to me.
 
This thread is ludicrous for the following reaaons.

1. The suggested change will never be implemented.
2. There is what only 1 or 2 stand alone 14.1 events per year anyway. If a player doesn't like the idea of straight pool he can skip this one.
3. This format includes round robin, double, and single elimination. No one is showing up, making the opening break, and watching his opponent run out the match then going home.
4. How many matches in this tournament or say even the last 20 pro 14.1 tournaments had a player run out a match from the break? Less than 10? 5 or less? It's not many.
5. Even in the run out from the break scenario both competitors had an equal # of innings.
 
I admit I haven't read all the posts, so forgive me if someone else explained it like this.

........(to the OP) lets say, you and I agree to play a game of 9 ball for some amount of money

Lets say you break and run out, you win the game. Now I dont pay you, instead I walk to the table, re rack the balls and say good run, now I want my turn.

In that context, it sounds silly, but you see its the same thing. Straight pool just takes longer for one game. We played one game and you won.
 
i disagree, the break and safety in the opening is important, if you fuc up and the guy runs out on you, you lost your chance. but i get what ur saying.
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If player A runs 100 and out, player B should be given a ball in hand and attempt to run 100 and out not just practice racking & taking naps! if he fails then player A wins, if he made it, i'd have them play the match again! or maybe rotate every 50 points!

I'm OK with this version of 14.1, just as long as I don't have to watch. Total offense eliminates far too many of the skills needed to win, which dumbs down the game.
 
If player A runs 100 and out, player B should be given a ball in hand and attempt to run 100 and out not just practice racking & taking naps! if he fails then player A wins, if he made it, i'd have them play the match again! or maybe rotate every 50 points!

If player A runs 100 and out - at the end of the match, Player B should extend his hand to congratulate Player A on a nice run - unscrew his cue and then look forward to his/her next match. If Player B doesn't like that, then he/she should play "Loser Breaks" 9 ball. JMO.
 
If player A runs 100 and out - at the end of the match, Player B should extend his hand to congratulate Player A on a nice run - unscrew his cue and then look forward to his/her next match. If Player B doesn't like that, then he/she should play "Loser Breaks" 9 ball. JMO.

Tap tap tap

Chuck
 
How often do you see players run 150-and-out on their first turn after the break shot?
Did it even happen in this tournament?
 
This makes little sense to anyone who enjoys straight pool. Keeping the guy in his chair and sending him home without shooting - save an opening break shot - is the object of the game. You don't feel sorry for him and he probably doesn't feel sorry for himself.
 
If player A runs 100 and out, player B should be given a ball in hand and attempt to run 100 and out not just practice racking & taking naps! if he fails then player A wins, if he made it, i'd have them play the match again! or maybe rotate every 50 points!

Completely a fair opinion. That's why Equal Offense was invented.

Freddie
 
If player A runs 100 and out - at the end of the match, Player B should extend his hand to congratulate Player A on a nice run - unscrew his cue and then look forward to his/her next match. If Player B doesn't like that, then he/she should play "Loser Breaks" 9 ball. JMO.

Yeah, man!!
 
Every month there are hundreds of imbecilic threads started in this forum. This one is in the top 5, at least in my recent memory.

Why would anybody even reply to the OP? None of you can change anything in the rules so why bother?

ONB

I swear this sounds like Earl S are you Earl!!!
 
Why would anybody even reply to the OP?
What they should do is kind of explained here:
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...so, hugs to Naji. (The image above, which you are supposed to click on, is probably copyright by someone or something, but I thought it was too awesome not to include. I hope someone or something will forgive me. The image also reminds me of how far these computer games have come since I played Adventure with my co-workers (or cow-orkers (very inside joke)) in the 1970s on a text-only terminal.)
None of you can change anything in the rules so why bother?

ONB
A small nit.... There are posters here who do have some influence over the rules. So far as I know, none of them sees any usefulness in the proposal.

There is another thread going on right now about Bowlliards (solo pool played like straight pool and scored like bowling) that may satisfy those overly bent on "fairness."

Bob Jewett
Chief Editor, 2008 World Standardized Rules
 
It is really different era nowadays! pool is no longer played in your back yard pool hall, pros are traveling all over the world for a chance at the prize. With the high travel and lodging cost they want to at least guarantee a kind of a tournament where they can show their skill, and will walk away from tournaments where the toss or lag determines their fate, let alone the draw; they opt to Vegas might have better odds for them!!

They know the risks walking in the door. Unlike you, they had their big boy pants on.

If a player practices his lag, he has better odds of winning the lag. If he then attempts a high risk shot for his first shot, he will reap what he sows, regardless of wether it is pocketed or not. It's a lot like capitalism.
 
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How often do you see players run 150-and-out on their first turn after the break shot?
Did it even happen in this tournament?

No first-inning run-outs occurred in the 2014 World event in the 150-point matches or in the 200-point matches.

Stalev did run 151 and out, but it was in his fourth inning.

Three 100-and-out matches occurred in this event. Immonen did it on stream, but it was his second inning. Shaw and Immonen did it off-stream on the first day, and I do not know whether it was their first inning.

First-inning 150-and-out's have been accomplished in other events. For example, Ortmann did it against Herring in the 2009 edition of the World event -- Herring broke, Ortmann ran 150 and out.
 
I just figured out what's wrong with pool...
...it's Willie's fault.
The guy ran 526.
His opponent didn't get to shoot for hours. :eek:

...and nobody broke Willie's thumbs....
..they just said "To hell with it, we gonna play on a barbox from now on."

This search for excellence shouldn't go too far....
...EVERYBODY should get to shoot.


pt...still loves Naj...man's a poolplayer
 
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