1Pocket: what would you do?

[AZE]

Dude.... tone down on the testosterone.

if your only shot is a 6 rail kick. you have already lost. being good at pool is equal to being consistent at pool. I can consistently make my 1 rail kick 9 out of 10. if you can make your 6 rail kick 9 out of 10 times I'll pay off your mortgage.

I hope my post doesn't read as too aggressive, I'm a very passive person -- I'm just letting him know he can come down and gamble. He said something about action, and he's obviously a good player getting that far in the Qlympics, but he can def come down and get some play, and I'll give him action on that shot.

As far as the 9:10 offer, I don't know about that - but we can just go shot-for-shot and see who's out-comes are better.

This is what I hate about putting things up in an open forum. A lot of the people will appreciate it, or at least appreciate it for what it is if they don't completely agree with it - but some of you guys come in here bashing it and have no clue how the shot really plays.
There is a word in the dictionary called "ignorance", I forget the meaning.

 

[AZE]

PS, softshot, I just looked back to see what your shot was... kicking one rail to thin the 8. Your argument is no longer valid with me - that is a horrible shot.

 

[AZE]

This is all I can see. Who knows if the two ball paths are anywhere NEAR accurate, but considering where you are shooting from..

I think this is the only plausible aggressive shot that leaves any chance of getting safe. If you hit the shot thinner than expected, you might even knock the other ball away.

Either way, hit it hard enough not to leave it in front of your pocket. Emphasis here must be on the speed/angle/spin the CB will leave the OB with, in order to keep from traveling back down table. Whatever happens, you don't want to just GIVE a shot to your opponent.

This is an awful situation, and you'll lose here a good percentage of the time no matter what you do.

Russ

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russ, you can't see the 8, if you could this shot wouldn't be much fun.

 

[thebighurt]

Okay, now you're on two and I'm on two...

Don't worry, I'll pay your time.

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Actually Aze if you back scratch there now the score is 5-4 and all he has to do is kick at the 8 at medium speed. Speed just harder than just make speed. If he cuts the 8 in the cueball will not come up far enough for you to have a cut on the 4ball or a good bank. The second part is if he hits the 8 and does not cut it in than the 8 will bounce off the head rail to the side rail and the cueball will stay on the end rail. f he hits the 8 ball whether he makes it or not as long as he does not crush it[you will not have a good shot and you will be on 2 so no more back scrath behind the balls/I]

 

[thebighurt]

the othe problem with the 6 railer is it is very table dependent. If you are on your pet table and you think you have th shot wired. Hey Aze try that shot at the Billiard Club LOL

 

[dabarbr]

I've read all the posts and, I have to say, I like this strategy the most. You gotta get up pretty early in the morning to get one over on the ole barber.

Thanks Jimmy. If we were not playing the three foul rule then I would take a couple of more scratches before pushing out.

 

[jrhendy]

Cincyman, I'm no player at all. But why don't you just play the guy who showed me the shot? Come on down and bring that little bankroll.
I hope you're not talking and not ready for some action - because this is the right place to step up and get some.

As far as this being an insane shot, well while you're down here giving up all this action why don't you go ahead and bet me $100 a shot?
Tell you what, if I sell out a shot I'll pay $150, if I don't sell out you pay me $100, and if I hit the 8-ball (without selling out) you pay me $200? We've got 4 tables good for playing one-hole, we can even table hop just so I don't get too used to the rails.

The rails open if anyone on the planet wants that same bet.

I can't believe your guy who showed you this shot would use it in a $$ game if he is really a good one pocket player, and IMO you would go busted unless you were shooting it on your home court or had some time to try it out and make adjustments on a strange table. Too many factors make it a bad choice. Table condition (impossible on a "Wet" table") and equipment in general, to name a couple. It is a good post because of all the response and various opinions, and that is what this board is all about, but an old time one pocket player like myself has a mental block against shots like this. I like Frank the Barbers solution quite a bit if you were not using the three foul rule, but I would kick one rail and take a scratch and go from there. John Henderson

 

[Fatboy]

This is what I hate about putting things up in an open forum. A lot of the people will appreciate it, or at least appreciate it for what it is if they don't completely agree with it - but some of you guys come in here bashing it and have no clue how the shot really plays.
There is a word in the dictionary called "ignorance", I forget the meaning.

Listen!!!! Dont say you hate doing threads like this, you did a great thread and we all have a dufferent way to play it, to bad we dont have Efrens idea here. This is one of the best threads in along time, there are lots of ways to play this shotm openly discussing it is great for everyone, a 80 year old man might not have the stroke to go 6 rails or bad equipment and hearing different opinions about this is why this is the best thread in along time, we can agree to disagree, i didnt put my idea up others did, But I like all the thrreads you come up like this, its all about learning and quality, DONT let the e nay sayers bother you, your a stand up guy AZE i read 90% of your posts and ALL of your threads so KEEP THEM COMMING.

your friend,

PS when I was in your neighborhood my back was to bad to do anything, next time we'll lock horns and have some fun!!!

 

[3andstop]

I will trade 1 scratch each and bring the score to 6:5 first. The I will try another intentional scratch like either one of these (2 pages.) Aim to leave the CB in the red zone:

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Another ball comes up. The new score is 6:4. The layout look something like page 3.

Fun layout!

Short of carnival shots, thats the shot

 

[deadwhak]

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I shoot a Masse and go for the win, but hey, thats me, I would be pissed to be in that position from the beggining, and I sure dont want to give up the table, so Im going for it, if the balls were in a differnt position Id play it differnt, but as described, I shooting the Masse, and having some fun.


SPINDOKTOR

i hope this is a joke cuz this is the most insane thing i have seen!!! masse-bank-combo?!?!

 

[AZE]

I naturally assume that if you're playing 1P you've tested out the table (kicking, lagging the balls up and down table, etc) before you've gotten into a game, and I also assume with this shot that the table has favorable conditions. That's just a heads up for anyone else, and I did forget to mention that.

thebighurt - You're absolutely right about table dependent. lol @ Billiard Club - if I tried this shot over there I guarantee the cue ball is flying right off of the table when it hits the first rail.
You're also 100% right about the return shot from what I posted. I respect your game a lot and it's good to know that all I have to do for free lessons from now on is post a layout on AZBilliards HOW COME THEY AREN'T SO CHEAP IN REAL LIFE?! lol.

Fatboy - thanks.

JRHendy (and everyone else) - I'm finding it hard to imagine that anyone who would play 1P for cash wouldn't get to know the table they are playing on first. If I'm playing for anything substantial I can guarantee you I know the feel of the table and most of the rolls.

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

i hope this is a joke cuz this is the most insane thing i have seen!!! masse-bank-combo?!?!

Actualy to me this would be easier than some shots Ive seen, but yes, If you Masse and hit the 4 from that situation, making the 8 is actualy in your favor.


I wish I could show some of these shots better, Is there a better way to show Masse and curves using CUETABLE?


SPINDOKTOR

 

[Franky]

mortgage bet

That mortgage bet is sounding pretty good. I just tried the 6-railer and got safe 10/10 times going into the second diamond from the corner with running english. I only made a legal hit on the ball on the end rail once or twice though.

In a game, I like trading one foul first though as Frank suggested before trying to get downtable or giving him a shot on the frozen ball on the long rail.

The 1-railer shot beyond the side pocket seems unnatural and unpredictable to me with reverse english. If I was going to shoot 1-railer, I'd go in front of the side softly with a decent amount of running english to catch the end rail and then perhaps the side rail. There's a legal hit available on this shot too. I'd still prefer taking a foul first before any shot though.

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[Craig Fales]

Here's the shot;

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load up the inside (left) and fire at will. Looks crazy, I know, but the speed is easy to control, just hit it hard, good luck over-shooting it. If you hit it decent you're going to hit the 8 or just lay inside the box where you didn't sell out a shot, but you did scratch... you're giving yourself the best opportunity here.

You could do the same with a 2 rail kick aswell...

 

[cuetable]

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Let's try another possibility: aim right before the side pocket, with 2 tips left english at a speed to park the CB right before the 4. Less is better than more here. If the CB bumped the 4 ball half inch, great. If not, we don't have an obvious sell-out (page 2)

You have near 1/2 diamond of 1/2 rail to aim. However, the slow speed and the english together make this shot difficult

Bob is right; this layout would be a great one for people to gather and try at DCC in a few weeks! Let's bounce some more ideas..

 

[cincyman]

I can't believe your guy who showed you this shot would use it in a $$ game if he is really a good one pocket player, and IMO you would go busted unless you were shooting it on your home court or had some time to try it out and make adjustments on a strange table. Too many factors make it a bad choice. Table condition (impossible on a "Wet" table") and equipment in general, to name a couple. It is a good post because of all the response and various opinions, and that is what this board is all about, but an old time one pocket player like myself has a mental block against shots like this. I like Frank the Barbers solution quite a bit if you were not using the three foul rule, but I would kick one rail and take a scratch and go from there. John Henderson

Thanks John,
Thats all i am saying is it is a terrible chioce from a guy who "supposedly" knows the game lol.

How on earth any good player would choose that shot is just proposterous! Thats all i am saying.

As for the hostility from AZE i said i would come down and play you and if you tell me the name of the "one pocket" player who told you this i will most definetely play him.

Thing is this i have a house, a separte pool room, new cars, and make very good money. I think me traveling for 100 is absurd. I would love to "step up and get some" lol but i think i might be losing money when the whole pool room goes bust after losing $500 on this shot.
Thanks for the offer but i am not a thug gambler who you are going to get riled up to "get some" lol

 

[blackeee]

He needs 1 you need two, what do you do? (he has the pocket with all them balls by it )

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I corner hook him,he corner hooks me, then I push him straight in on the 4 and play from there.

 

[klockdoc]

Here's the shot;

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load up the inside (left) and fire at will. Looks crazy, I know, but the speed is easy to control, just hit it hard, good luck over-shooting it. If you hit it decent you're going to hit the 8 or just lay inside the box where you didn't sell out a shot, but you did scratch... you're giving yourself the best opportunity here.

Actually, I tried this shot tonight at the local room. The shot isn't as hard as some may think. In fact, I palyed around with it and at 1 1/2 diamonds, instead of two, you have a good chance of making the 4.

But, the shot is as AZE said. If you happen to miss the 8, the cue ball will be in-between the 4 and 8 and not give up a shot. I would say kicking one rail is just as difficult as kicking the 6 railer with more of a chance of scratching either directly in, or, off the 8.

JMO

 

[Deadon]

I will trade 1 scratch each and bring the score to 6:5 first. The I will try another intentional scratch like either one of these (2 pages.) Aim to leave the CB in the red zone:

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Another ball comes up. The new score is 6:4. The layout look something like page 3.

Fun layout!

I've got to go with cuetable, by a bunch.

 

[AZE]

So here are the results. Everyone who has tried the shot says it works exactly as I said, you have a chance to hit the 8, and you're for sure going to leave them safe.
Just about everyone else who seems to not have tried the shot and have no clue what the real outcome is says it's a horrible idea.
You do the math.

People are still siding with CueTables shot even though I showed you what the counter to that shot looks like, and it's not pretty.

Cincyman, I'm not going to try to bicker with you here. You said something about playing for a whole bunch of money - when I hear that I take it as you wanting to play for a whole bunch of money... call me crazy.
If you want to get some action come down here, we've got plenty of players and plenty of cash. $500 isn't going to bust anyone.

I'll PM you the players name. You tell me if you want to play.