The amazing part of the 3 rail kick was the follow that he was able to keep on the ball to go 2 rails and get perfectly straight in on the nine. Kicking the 8 was not a huge shot but the position that followed is what made it great. Most great kicks you see on YouTube are getting good rolls. They try to make the ball sometimes it goes and other times it's just a good hit. Joe I am glad I captured it for you and the rest of the AZBers.
2 Amazing Kick Shots at the Joss Tour from MD
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You do know that the "follow" on the cue ball was solely a function of the speed the cue ball was rolling, right? The "follow" was the easiest part of the shot by far, because there wasn't any "follow" on the ball, it was simply rolling (as it is with almost every "follow" shot) and there was nothing he needed to do to "keep the follow on the ball" except to hit it the right speed so that it retained the right amount of "follow" after contact. Aiming the shot was the more difficult part and mostly because you don't normally kick three rails with that speed and amount of english so you have to adjust where you hit the first rail. He obviously hit the object ball in the exact perfect spot with the perfect speed and the perfect amount of right english to get that perfect shape though.
Considering how wild and hard he was playing, he was extremely LUCKY to end up in that position (mother of all beginner kick shots) to make the 3 railer. Robert Byrne showed 5-6 ways to pocket the ob from that exact position. So that guy was really lucky to be left in that position.
As for his 1 railer, I'll give him full credit for skill and precision.
As for his 1 railer, I'll give him full credit for skill and precision.
Seems like he used the 3+2=5 kicking system.
Go look at the video again and check the speed and pay off that 3 rail shot. Not the normal 3 rail kick by Amy means. Perhaps the 1 real was a bit lucky but it's amazing how the good players seem to get lucky so often. Watch more of M'S matches. He had a superb kicking game, you can see it often with his safety game.
I have finally watched the shots and agree the 3-rail was fine and the 1-rail most fortuitous.
I know I can't beat the guy, but his approach to the table is so nonchalant.
Sailor would not approve.
I know I can't beat the guy, but his approach to the table is so nonchalant.
Sailor would not approve.
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If the 8 goes into the center of the pocket, Mike's shot scratches.
In case anyone wants to try the shot for the cash, they get 2:1 odds any time they want to shoot it until I run out of money. Corner hooked, 9' table, 8 ball out from the pocket 12 inches, position not required, scratch is not a foul. I pick which corner you shoot towards.
ScottK and Bdorman
Maybe these two would love to take you up on the offer since it is so easy for them!
Maybe these two would love to take you up on the offer since it is so easy for them!
Kick shots are a passion of mine and I couldn't disagree with you more on the 3 rail shot. It certainly was a great shot!
First, he was shooting out from the jaws, jacked up.
Then, because the 8 ball was *not a hanger* and with the required incoming angle of whitey off the 3rd rail being nearly a full hit on the eight, MD had to not only hit it with a lot of precision just to make it (remember, it wasn't hanging in the jaws) but it also required a lot of speed on the full hit in order to make his position for the 9. All planned for and played perfectly. :thumbup:
The one-railer, it looked to me like he was mostly just trying to make a good hit and got lucky to make the ball. Basically, rewarded for the good hit with a lucky made ball.
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brian kc
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Since this shot is so easy and obviously "dead on", everyone should record themselves doing it and post it on here, oh and it has to be during a tournament or high pressure situation, not practicing in the comfort of your own home. Until then, give this guy some credit. Like Daniel Busch said "but to be honest I don't think it's going to change much for me or take away from the simple fact that people will still hate on other people's work, no matter how good or bad it really is."
Actually, most people miss it most of the time... pros included. It still doesn't make it amazing. Not to me at least. YMMV.
One, he isn't REALLY hooked. He's in a difficult cuing position, but he's not hooked.
Two, you'd make money all day... it's not a high percentage shot, but it's an obvious shot. If it were an amazing shot you could offer better odds.
Fact is, it was only slightly less lucky than the 1.
Both good shots, yes. Both still not amazing.
Maybe these two would love to take you up on the offer since it is so easy for them!
Since you're so amazed, bump it up to 10:1 and we'll talk. And even at 10:1 you've probably got the nuts, but for my 100 to your 1000 if I happen to kick it in on the first shot you're not going to be amazed, you're going to be pissed. Because... it's lucky, not amazing.
Ok, I don't think there is anyone who despises Mike more than me, but everyone, please!!!!! The guy made 2 awesome shots! If efren made those shots everyone would be like wow,wooooooo, oooohhhhhhhh ,mmmmmmmmmmm,!!!!!!!
This is to Mike,,,, nice 3 railer
and that one railer,,,, did you keep your eyes closed???
Some of you people need to learn how the difficult the game is!! Oh, I forgot, most of you are pros! Some of you people could probably give Mike the 7! Lol
I don't like Mike,,, at all!!!!!! But, give credit where credit is due!
This is to Mike,,,, nice 3 railer
and that one railer,,,, did you keep your eyes closed???Some of you people need to learn how the difficult the game is!! Oh, I forgot, most of you are pros! Some of you people could probably give Mike the 7! Lol
I don't like Mike,,, at all!!!!!! But, give credit where credit is due!
As I saw the 3-rail kick, he was corner-hooked on the 8. You seem to be saying that he could see the 8 for a direct shot.
I agree, it's a very good shot
Yep, that makes it more difficult.
This is really the issue at hand, no it's not a hanger, but planned for and played perfectly? How else would you play it? There's no "planning." The way he played it is the way you HAVE TO HIT THAT SHOT. Is he hoping to make it, even somewhat expecting so? Yes. Is he hoping to get shape? Of course. He's also hoping to create distance if he misses. If that had happened, would it be amazing? If any of you is even thinking "yes" you're a fool.
Bottom line is that was the highest percentage option available from the horse shit shape he played on the two shots prior. It's a flyer. You hit it like that and hope for the best. If hit it and hope is amazing to you guys, then that's cool, but it doesn't amaze me.
I don't understand how you can see the 1 ball as good fortune and not the 8 ball.
No, he's definitely hooked on the eight. I thought you meant he didn't have access to the correct spot on the rail for the kick. The fact he is hooked on the 8 is part of what lessens the "amazement" for me. He played the only shot he had.
EDIT: He played the best shot he had.
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Ok, I don't think there is anyone who despises Mike more than me, but everyone, please!!!!! The guy made 2 awesome shots! If efren made those shots everyone would be like wow,wooooooo, oooohhhhhhhh ,mmmmmmmmmmm,!!!!!!!
This is to Mike,,,, nice 3 railer
Some of you people need to learn how the difficult the game is!! Oh, I forgot, most of you are pros! Some of you people could probably give Mike the 7! Lol
I don't like Mike,,, at all!!!!!! But, give credit where credit is due!
This has nothing to do with Mike other than the fact he happens to be the guy who hit the shots. I don't think anyone has argued they were not very good shots. I just said I wouldn't call either of then amazing. Apparently, however, everyone else is amazed.
Who pissed in your cereal this morning?