2 foul, roll out
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Same thing as a push after the break.
You push and your opponent takes the shot or gives it back to you.
The second shot must be a legal hit.
You push and your opponent takes the shot or gives it back to you.
The second shot must be a legal hit.
I don’t know what all the hoopla is about. I have never found the push after the break to be exciting, at either the local gambling level or the pro level. If it was better, all the old timers who grew up in that era and ended up being tournament promoters would have kept it going.
the old 2 shot push out was used on any shot not just the break back in the old days.
its real bad for spectators.
when gambling for high stakes its a way to protect yourself from bad rolls.
its real bad for spectators.
when gambling for high stakes its a way to protect yourself from bad rolls.
Right, what I meant was using today’s push out after the break on any shot. CJ says it results in exciting shots.
Today’s push out is usually to a jump shot with jump cue or to a position for a kick safe. If it was every shot, I guess no one would ever push to a kick safe position? And we’d be left with juno shots or hard shots?
And jump cues and great safeties. When I learned back in the 60’s you didn’t need to learn to kick if you hooked just push out.. it’s a shooters game and it’s terrible when you start to learn to play because you don’t learn kicking or safeties..
But you did learn to make spot shots, CJ & Keith claim it went away so bar leagues would flourish.. I don’t know…
Did CJ really say for bar leagues to flourish? Most new bar league players don't even know what a push means, or that you have to hit a rail "after" a ball to not be a foul. I don't buy that for a second.
To answer @goatgod 's question, I don't think a video exists of roll out. I've never heard of a tournament in modern VHS or later times to have roll out rules. Accu-stats started after it became 3 foul. Maybe on some old ABC wild world of sports? But those film reels are all long gone. A few players tried to get them years ago and were unable to. I think Jay Helfert was one of them.
CJ and Keith aging out helped popularize taking turns pool.
I played ‘roll out’ till about 1985…..but it was any two fouls in a row by the same player.
If a guy pushed I had the option of pushing back…..only way I would play a serious game.
Well, needless to say, I heard the entire podcast with CJ Wiley and Keith McCready. I had to keep our dog quiet, which was no easy task.
CJ is excellent at interviews. He steered the conversation in various directions and tied them all together. I was impressed with his professionalism. As someone who works with interviews on an almost-daily basis, CJ's skills are right up there with The Washington Post journalists that I am familiar with.
I was nervous to have Keith go live and take questions because, truth be told, I never know what's going to fly out of his mouth, but thanks to CJ, it went great. Keith has a lot of opinions about jump cues, carbon shafts, and the two-shot/push-out rules, which I was sitting on pins and needles, wondering if he was going to let loose. I think old-school players have a different stance on today's equipment.
What I found extraordinarily interesting was when they were talking about Buddy Hall saying when you strike the cue ball, you only use the edge of the tip to get it to go where you want it to go. What?! I had to listen to that a couple times. I'm still not clear on that, but both Keith and CJ knew exactly what Buddy Hall meant.
I'm grateful that CJ gave Keith the opportunity to be interviewed. It was truly a pleasure for Keith—and me too.
CJ is excellent at interviews. He steered the conversation in various directions and tied them all together. I was impressed with his professionalism. As someone who works with interviews on an almost-daily basis, CJ's skills are right up there with The Washington Post journalists that I am familiar with.
I was nervous to have Keith go live and take questions because, truth be told, I never know what's going to fly out of his mouth, but thanks to CJ, it went great. Keith has a lot of opinions about jump cues, carbon shafts, and the two-shot/push-out rules, which I was sitting on pins and needles, wondering if he was going to let loose. I think old-school players have a different stance on today's equipment.
What I found extraordinarily interesting was when they were talking about Buddy Hall saying when you strike the cue ball, you only use the edge of the tip to get it to go where you want it to go. What?! I had to listen to that a couple times. I'm still not clear on that, but both Keith and CJ knew exactly what Buddy Hall meant.
I'm grateful that CJ gave Keith the opportunity to be interviewed. It was truly a pleasure for Keith—and me too.
Exactly
Old timers here used to play with 3 players like this so everyone had a more fair chance to win. You can't play a 2 way and get the table back, because there is the 3rd player. This game stressed shot making and getting out when you had the opportunity.
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As a learning experience I played roll out recently against a very good player. I learned it was just another way for me to be victimized by the better player, who had more options in the rare situation where he couldn’t run out.
The game was slower than Texas Express, which just meant I had to wait longer before losing again.
And from holes in your game too.
With push out safes were never played.
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I think it went away a little after jump shots started being used. Some could jump over a full ball with their normal cue.
Look at ‘roll out’ 9-ball as a different game……closer to one pocket
Agreed. It’s an entirely different game and favors the better player (more so than Texas Express) just like one pocket.