I'd all but forgotten the the 2 shot game. Funny too because it's the first real pool I saw. The runouts blew my mind. WTF they made all the balls! ? ! ! lol Anyway, I do recall that 9 ball of that era was of the rock'em sock'em variety. Smarts were more subtle and an unseen mystery to me.
2 foul, roll out
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push out made the game so the weaker player or the smarter player had a better chance to win.
and got shots in the game instead of having the other player hook you and you sell out the game giving him ball in hand.
and if you were the weaker player and got out of position or hooked yourself you didnt lose the game. you had a chance to leave a shot you might make but wasnt a sure one for him.
the tournaments killed it off as small stake gamblers and others always want to play by tournament rules.
and got shots in the game instead of having the other player hook you and you sell out the game giving him ball in hand.
and if you were the weaker player and got out of position or hooked yourself you didnt lose the game. you had a chance to leave a shot you might make but wasnt a sure one for him.
the tournaments killed it off as small stake gamblers and others always want to play by tournament rules.
Paul, if you remember back then this would be one of the things asked and argued about before you played. “How we playing, 2 in a row or any 2”?
Different preferences for different reasons.
Steve……that ‘any two in a row’ stuff I was never ever going for.
Why should somebody be able to put me under the gun with a mickey mouse roll out?….he gets to roll out to his favorite shot which might not be mine…..I want the option of pushing back to my favorite shot….after all, he’s the one who put himself in that spot.
The other way to look at it is that you can push out to your favorite shot when you push out. I suppose the plan would be to practice a future opponent's favorites before you play him so he'll be pushing out to the wrong shot.
I think I saw both versions played but "any two fouls" was more common.
As I recall under "two on same", if your opponent pushes your options are shoot to hit or pass, which prevents an endless series of pushes. Was there some other rule that prevented an "oops, I missed the ball" play that was actually a push out?
That’s why I said it was asked and argued about.
I know a lot of people that just wouldn’t budge from how they would play.
2 fouls by the same person was how Sigel got his nickname “Captain Hook”.
If you pushed out on him he would play a lock down safe on you and now you had to hit it or give up ball in hand.
Once you took a foul, you were under the gun….second scratch, your opponent gets ball in hand.
….saw an interesting situation in Detroit….late 70s…there was a tricky corner pocket on table 4 at the Rack….ball would spit out often…
…it had been shimmed with rubber from a truck tire….set is hill/hill for 5 Gs…the 8-ball is froze on the long rail, one diamond from the corner.
….cue ball is almost straight in six inches off the far end rail…9-ball is froze middle of the rail near the cue ball.
….so the guy pushes by just tapping the cue ball.
So now the other guy has to make a decision…if he shoots and it spits out, he’s going to eat his heart out…if he says shoot again and the guy fires it in and gets on the 9-ball, he’s also going to eat his heart out…so he taps whitey back…lets the other guy makes the decision for him…
…..his mind will be clear.
So what happened?
Yep, I wouldn’t budge from ‘two in a row by the same player’…..first foul shouldn’t have so much to say about my options.That’s why I said it was asked and argued about.
I know a lot of people that just wouldn’t budge from how they would play.
First guy shot…he dogged it, wasn‘t in on any table….good choice by the second guy because if he had to shoot, he had no options.So what happened?
His mind was clear.
From what I saw of it, any no hit was a push, period.
I only saw serious gamblers play roll out and it was rare to see it played around here back in the 80s.
yes any missed ball foul was a push out. and the other player could shoot or make you shoot again. if whoever shot scratched then it was ball in hand.
it made the game strategy important than rather who could pocket the balls best. everyone that plays someone knows who the best player is after just one rack.
basically one miss ball in hand stopped most 9 ball action for decent money in the country. and made one pocket the preferred game for those that gambled and needed to negotiate a spot of some kind to make the game playable for them. worked for me.
it made the game strategy important than rather who could pocket the balls best. everyone that plays someone knows who the best player is after just one rack.
basically one miss ball in hand stopped most 9 ball action for decent money in the country. and made one pocket the preferred game for those that gambled and needed to negotiate a spot of some kind to make the game playable for them. worked for me.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Good post! Some people like to gamble. They don't want to get robbed but with the correct spot they will put money on the game if they feel they have a chance. You might have to work a little harder to outrun their spot, but at least there's money on the light.
CJ says lots of things.
I dunno about #2 as a main cause. 1p is a better gambling game, I'll agree and would attribute its popularity more to both the fact it generally requires less ball making, as well as it bwing seen as a more cerebral game.
#1 is just untrue.
Not true. Think about it.
Thinking back to the 9-ball action in the 60s and 70s, I gave more monster spots at 9-ball than I did with Texas Express….
…….you could protect yourself better by pushing….I expected to win most of the roll-outs.
But by ‘85 I started to not care which rules we played…my snooker background gave me an edge trapping.
…….you could protect yourself better by pushing….I expected to win most of the roll-outs.
But by ‘85 I started to not care which rules we played…my snooker background gave me an edge trapping.
If you played a safe your opponent would just push out.
Never saw a safe played.