When some idiot sends an unsolicited PM to discuss something that is already being discussed in a thread, well, that's just fvcking stupid.
Right Rick?
Right Rick?
$200 for a billiard university diploma!!
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I dont understand this thread.
I dont understand how someone could mistake "Biiliards University" for an accredited institution of higher learning.
I dont understand how someone could be outraged that Dr Dave is expecting to be paid for his services.
I dont understand how someone could serially post purposely inflammatory and misleading 'information' and then invoke the name of the Lord as he disingenuously (delusionally?) asks Him to forgive those who take issue with his bs.
Lastly, I dont understand how Dr Dave has the patience and perserverance to calmly defend his program to those who clearly arent looking for anything else other than a pound of flesh.
I dont understand how someone could mistake "Biiliards University" for an accredited institution of higher learning.
I dont understand how someone could be outraged that Dr Dave is expecting to be paid for his services.
I dont understand how someone could serially post purposely inflammatory and misleading 'information' and then invoke the name of the Lord as he disingenuously (delusionally?) asks Him to forgive those who take issue with his bs.
Lastly, I dont understand how Dr Dave has the patience and perserverance to calmly defend his program to those who clearly arent looking for anything else other than a pound of flesh.
Oh, so when you admitted you were The Thaiger in a PM with me, I was suppose to keep that bloody private... thanks for the tip old chapI won't tell a soul
AZB's least well kept secret.
Since the thread has gotten bogged down again by "personality issues," I thought I would do my best to again to completely address the original criticisms.
The first question seemed to be:
"Why does a BU diploma cost so much ($200)?"
Here's my answer:
- It took lots of time, effort, initiative, creativity, and expense to create the BU and the asociated exam materials, website, organization of people, and professionally-designed diplomas.
- It takes time and expense to print the diplomas on a high-quality printer with high-quality paper.
- It takes time and expense to package and ship the diplomas in a protective way.
- It takes time to review the submitted online videos to make sure the results are valid.
- It takes time to process the submittal form that is required with a diploma application.
- It takes time to do the accounting and record-keeping required to process a diploma.
- It takes time and expense to maintain the BU website and the BilliardUniversity.org domain.
- It takes time to post official diploma results on the BU website.
- With a diploma, one receives official recognition of their level of ability on the BU website (with permission). This is of value to some people.
- A diploma can be framed and displayed with pride (e.g., in an office or game room) to show off one's enthusiasm and excellence for this great sport. This is of value to some people.
- A diploma is a credential one can use as the first step to becoming a BU instructor. This is of value to some people. It can also lead to additional income.
- Finally, the BU owners should be rewarded for what they have created for the pool community.
The second question seemed to be:
"Why is the BU deluding people into thinking a BU diploma corresponds to a traditional academic degree where four or more years is dedicated to academic study at an academic institution?"
Here's my answer:
That is just ridiculous!
Who in their right mind would think such a thing after watching the short BU intro video and reading through the clear and concise info on the BU website main page and on the diploma section of the website.
We use the name "diploma" instead of something like "certificate of playing ability" because everything in our organization has a university theme. That's why it is called the Billiard "University." We have a Dean (me), a Registrar (Randy Russell), Professors, Exams, Learning Resources, an intensive Summer School program, Alumni/Graduates, and a Rating/Grading system. And yes, we also offer Diplomas to reward dedicated practice and playing excellence.
I think "University" and "Diploma" are appropriate names, and it is very clear what they mean on the BU website.
I hope this thread has at least exposed the BU to some AZB'ers who haven't tried the BU playing-ability exams yet. If that is the case, please try them out and consider posting scores (and videos if possible) for free on the AZB BU thread. It would be interesting to see how a wide range of AZB users rate. It would also be interesting to see how high of a score is possible from a top player after well-practiced, dedicated, focused, and multiple attempts at the exams.
In fact, to help encourage this, I will happily mail an official Doctorate of Pool diploma, post results on the official BU alumni website, and send a free 3-DVD BU Instructional series set to any AZB user who can reach the Doctorate diploma level, documented by online videos posted on the AZB BU thread, by the end of next month (November 30, 2013).
Regards,
Dave
The first question seemed to be:
"Why does a BU diploma cost so much ($200)?"
Here's my answer:
- It took lots of time, effort, initiative, creativity, and expense to create the BU and the asociated exam materials, website, organization of people, and professionally-designed diplomas.
- It takes time and expense to print the diplomas on a high-quality printer with high-quality paper.
- It takes time and expense to package and ship the diplomas in a protective way.
- It takes time to review the submitted online videos to make sure the results are valid.
- It takes time to process the submittal form that is required with a diploma application.
- It takes time to do the accounting and record-keeping required to process a diploma.
- It takes time and expense to maintain the BU website and the BilliardUniversity.org domain.
- It takes time to post official diploma results on the BU website.
- With a diploma, one receives official recognition of their level of ability on the BU website (with permission). This is of value to some people.
- A diploma can be framed and displayed with pride (e.g., in an office or game room) to show off one's enthusiasm and excellence for this great sport. This is of value to some people.
- A diploma is a credential one can use as the first step to becoming a BU instructor. This is of value to some people. It can also lead to additional income.
- Finally, the BU owners should be rewarded for what they have created for the pool community.
The second question seemed to be:
"Why is the BU deluding people into thinking a BU diploma corresponds to a traditional academic degree where four or more years is dedicated to academic study at an academic institution?"
Here's my answer:
That is just ridiculous!
Who in their right mind would think such a thing after watching the short BU intro video and reading through the clear and concise info on the BU website main page and on the diploma section of the website.
We use the name "diploma" instead of something like "certificate of playing ability" because everything in our organization has a university theme. That's why it is called the Billiard "University." We have a Dean (me), a Registrar (Randy Russell), Professors, Exams, Learning Resources, an intensive Summer School program, Alumni/Graduates, and a Rating/Grading system. And yes, we also offer Diplomas to reward dedicated practice and playing excellence.
I think "University" and "Diploma" are appropriate names, and it is very clear what they mean on the BU website.
I hope this thread has at least exposed the BU to some AZB'ers who haven't tried the BU playing-ability exams yet. If that is the case, please try them out and consider posting scores (and videos if possible) for free on the AZB BU thread. It would be interesting to see how a wide range of AZB users rate. It would also be interesting to see how high of a score is possible from a top player after well-practiced, dedicated, focused, and multiple attempts at the exams.
In fact, to help encourage this, I will happily mail an official Doctorate of Pool diploma, post results on the official BU alumni website, and send a free 3-DVD BU Instructional series set to any AZB user who can reach the Doctorate diploma level, documented by online videos posted on the AZB BU thread, by the end of next month (November 30, 2013).
Regards,
Dave
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Heck, check his posts in the girly threads under NPR.
He has a lot to ask forgiveness for.
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He has a lot to ask forgiveness for.
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Excellent points, and very well stated.
Concerning the "flesh seekers," I am done with them. However, I am still willing to explain or discuss any reasonable question, concern, or suggestion that any sane and non-hateful person has concerning the BU.
Best regards to all,
Dave
Strangely, yours was among the best posts in this strange thread.
There was no "mistake" there at all. That's just an opportunistic attempt by the two main antagonists in this thread (i.e. HisBoyElroy and ENGLISH) to exploit the "to the letter" meaning of a particular word -- in this case, the word "university."
Again, we live in a world of extremists -- either black or white, hot or cold, certified university (with ivy growing up the side of the building) or just "learning institution."
It's called, "I never experienced any kind of exposure to certification myself, so I'll just rail against any and all forms of 'certification' -- including remuneration thereof."
"After all, isn't everything offered for sale on the Internet in an electronic form less than $40? How *dare* he place a value on it higher than that!"
Ah, you hit on something there. Don't "they" all "go there" when cornered?
Or, who need validation and reassurance every minute of every day.
-Sean
I'm just proud that I scored high enough to earn a diploma. The practice that it took for me to attain it certainly has improved my game greatly. I have nothing but thanks for the time and effort Dr. Dave (and others) have put into Billiard U. I highly recommend it.
Sorry, Rick, I'm calling BS. Mercedes does not get out of bed to sell parts at $1.64. I'd like to see that receipt.You could not even buy license plate screws for a $1.64 from Home Depot, let alone MB !!!
So, basically, there was about 6 hours of labor involved that you decided to do yourself. Well, bravo, I don't have a spare 6 hours to work on my cars anymore. So, is MB wrong for charging the appropriate labor rates ($130 per hour in these parts).
What is your logic? Nobody here believes that could not get the scores themselves but some want it documented and the actual degree, big whoop.
And no, I have not taken the test, most likely will not, and you can take it to the bank that I will not pay the $200, but I do understand the free market, and folks buy what they like.
But for whatever reason, you woke up with a hard on, yet again, for the instructors at AZB. Well played Rick.
Here is an Instructor that apparently made a subconscious relationship & referred to it as 'the actual degree'.
I'm sure that was just a slip up in speaking & I doubt that he really thinks it actually is a degree. But a mistake was made by a 'billiard educated individual'.
Elroy / Tim obviously saw it a certain way & see's the potential for some same such confusion.
I was offering a constructive means to possibly put such concerns to rest by suggesting that an up front disclaimer being added might be beneficial or perhaps a change in wording so as make things perfectly clear.
Thanks Dave. I got your 'message'.
Does Dr. Dave also have to put up disclaimers such as "pool cues can poke out one's eyes. Do not put cue or chalk in eyes". Or "pool balls may cause choking. Do not put pool balls in mouth or other orifices." Or "When struck at a downward angle firmly, balls may fly off the table. Use extreme caution when striking at a down angle."
As a side note, anyone that really thinks that it is misleading to use the words "diploma" and "bachelor, master, and doctorate", is free to apply for and obtain one. I don't really see the problem with putting it on your resume' when you apply at McDonalds. (shouldn't be a problem, since they have a university also)
You are a peach.
I dont understand why you feel hard done by the label of troll you get around here; it is actually people giving you the benefit of the doubt.
If you want to nitpick look up the correct abbreviation for HIPPA, which you have used a number of times. (incorrectly)
This from a person with above average intelligence (or so you stated) But I am sure it was just a mistake or a slip-up in speaking right.
.....live in a glass house Rick.
This from a person with above average intelligence (or so you stated) But I am sure it was just a mistake or a slip-up in speaking right.
.....live in a glass house Rick.
Oh gawwwd, did he really write that (what you quoted)? :thud:
Like I mentioned earlier, we live amongst extremists -- those that can't see varying shades of gray, and instead cling to the signposts of the "black" or "white" extremes. So they hide behind "to the letter" definitions of words, instead of getting the gist of what the word means and why it's used.
It would be pedantically INSANE for Dr. Dave to have to post "disclaimers" or "prefaces" to his use of the words "diploma" and "university," just because one or two individuals are opportunistically exploiting the use of the word for their own devices. The "device," in this context, is their staunch antagonistic stance against "billiards instructors" or "billiards certifications." Unless it's from CJ Wiley -- then, of course of course, leeway in the use of the words "diploma" and "university" is granted.
If CJ Wiley decides to come up with his own "university" (much like Marty Herman did), I don't think you'll see the OP nor ENGLISH complain one bit. Not one iota.
Methinks the OP and ENGLISH are the "Warning! This beverage you are about to enjoy contains HOT liquid, and may cause burns if you spill it on yourself!" type. You know, the "Ruprecht" type:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nqMc9B7uDV8#t=34s
-Sean
I think you're right, Sean. If CJ had come up with this there would be no complaints.Oh gawwwd, did he really write that (what you quoted)? :thud:
Like I mentioned earlier, we live amongst extremists -- those that can't see varying shades of gray, and instead cling to the signposts of the "black" or "white" extremes. So they hide behind "to the letter" definitions of words, instead of getting the gist of what the word means and why it's used.
It would be pedantically INSANE for Dr. Dave to have to post "disclaimers" or "prefaces" to his use of the words "diploma" and "university," just because one or two individuals are opportunistically exploiting the use of the word for their own devices. The "device," in this context, is their staunch antagonistic stance against "billiards instructors" or "billiards certifications." Unless it's from CJ Wiley -- then, of course of course, leeway in the use of the words "diploma" and "university" is granted.
If CJ Wiley decides to come up with his own "university" (much like Marty Herman did), I don't think you'll see the OP nor ENGLISH complain one bit. Not one iota.
Methinks the OP and ENGLISH are the "Warning! This beverage you are about to enjoy contains HOT liquid, and may cause burns if you spill it on yourself!" type. You know, the "Ruprecht" type:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nqMc9B7uDV8#t=34s
-Sean
...its hard to type whilst touching yourself, after all.
I'm not a psychic by all means, but I would be willing to bet this is not true. You are like a special version of the Terminator that keeps going and going until your mission is complete...the problem is in this movie no one has a fricken clue what your mission is...but thats ok....we keep watching and waiting for Arnold (Wilson), to take you out and then to dish out a classic AZ one liner!
We all put on our pants one leg at a time........
We all put on our pants one leg at a time.......or do we.
We all put on our pants one leg at a time.......or do we.
Do not underestimate the power of idiocy or the frequency in which it occurs.