2million for Qmasters....

hang-the-9

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Barry is getting older... He is wanting out.... I can't afford 2million although I could take it over and pay him on time..... As I am sure many of us could...

What I am wondering is could AZ form a corporation to buy it.....

I would throw $1000 towards a downpayment if the right people were in charge of the investment...

Could Qmasters lure Fleming out of New Jersey to set up cameras and take over management?

At a $1000 a share are there 200 members that would risk it? Thats just the 10% down...

Chris

This is really funny, I was just about to post almsot the exact same thing. We can make it the first forum co-owned business in the world. Put up a kickstarter page for it, $1,000 donations would get free pool for a year or something.
 

Black-Balled

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The room is ONLY worth the value of the tables/equipment/liquor license. That's it. No multiples on EBITA / revenue as there's zero lock on future revenue. Otherwise, I could open a brand new shiny hot room two doors down for the cost of the hard assets in his room. Not worth CLOSE to 2mil but there's a sucker born every day. Hard asset value is what that biz is worth. Sorry.
Yeah, he must think the name is worth something.

I had a family member who wanted to sell a business for 3m and its annual sales were >2m.

He still owns it.
 

crocdoc

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Always went buy value of inventory plus last years net= value of business
Then added for goodwill and strength of lease. Haven't gone wrong so far.
 

BasementDweller

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Not for a poolroom. With a restaurant, the draw is the cook/food. With a poolroom, it's pool/liquor, which is easily replicated. I wouldnt trust the book keeping over there, so that's another reason. The value of any pool room is the hard asset. There is no loyalty with pool players and they'll flock to the best equipment for thr best value with the least expensive alcohol.

Meaning, you run the risk of buying the room for 2 big ones and then have someone open a HOT room down the street and then you go bankrupt overnight because you can't afford a room face-lift because you're so over-extended on your 2mil nut.

That's why it's only worth the hard asset value.

Dave

I don't think a pool room is as easily replicated as you do. Otherwise, pool rooms wouldn't all be closing left and right. But I get your point.

Basically, in my mind this business would have to clear around 200k a year without you working there to even consider the 2M price tag. Otherwise, there's just way too much risk involved. Even with clearing 200k it would be a real roll of the dice.

I bet someone ends up buying the place for 400 or 500k or they just close the doors at some point.
 

CocoboloCowboy

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Barry is getting older... He is wanting out.... I can't afford 2million although I could take it over and pay him on time..... As I am sure many of us could...

What set of books are you looking at that says this business has a value of $2,000,000.00:confused:
 

PINKLADY

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The room is ONLY worth the value of the tables/equipment/liquor license. That's it. No multiples on EBITA / revenue as there's zero lock on future revenue. Otherwise, I could open a brand new shiny hot room two doors down for the cost of the hard assets in his room. Not worth CLOSE to 2mil but there's a sucker born every day. Hard asset value is what that biz is worth. Sorry.

wait a minute! he doesn't OWN the property?
:rotflmao1:
y'all might want to check if his equiptment is leased, as well. (my restaurant supply accounts lease or sell.)
and from what i gather, the bulk of business is done during the Open? if that comes to an END next year with his "something big planned for 40th Open", then it's reduced to simply being "the largest US pool hall" for locals.

what's the term on his lease...?
 

KRJ

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wait a minute! he doesn't OWN the property?
:rotflmao1:
y'all might want to check if his equiptment is leased, as well. (my restaurant supply accounts lease or sell.)
and from what i gather, the bulk of business is done during the Open? if that comes to an END next year with his "something big planned for 40th Open", then it's reduced to simply being "the largest US pool hall" for locals.

what's the term on his lease...?

Pinky, you read my mind, I just didn't want to post it... but since you did.... HOLY COW. $2M and I don't even get the friggin building? You gotta be out of your MFing mind. I could spend $2M and I could get tossed out of my lease in a year or two, or get it jacked up that I have to leave, then I would have sell all the equipment, maybe $200K, tops, and thus I only lose $1.8M. And it does not even come with the US OPEN rights ??? I mean, what is that, an extra millions ?? Plus, the place badly needs a complete renovation. What's that gonna cost, another $500K ??

Sorry, if this sells for $2M, I'll eat my hat ;)
 

Black-Balled

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Pinky, you read my mind, I just didn't want to post it... but since you did.... HOLY COW. $2M and I don't even get the friggin building? You gotta be out of your MFing mind. I could spend $2M and I could get tossed out of my lease in a year or two, or get it jacked up that I have to leave, then I would have sell all the equipment, maybe $200K, tops, and thus I only lose $1.8M. And it does not even come with the US OPEN rights ??? I mean, what is that, an extra millions ?? Plus, the place badly needs a complete renovation. What's that gonna cost, another $500K ??

Sorry, if this sells for $2M, I'll eat my hat ;)

I am going to start interviewing partners, just to spite you.

I am in for $200.00, those with money please send me your financial documentation for consideration.
 
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jalapus logan

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You guys are really thinking too small here. I am envisioning a pool hall dedicated Real Estate Investment Trust that owns and leases the land, building, equipment, etc. to pool hall operators. After we go public, we can then trade the shares OTC as a pink sheet. Wait, better yet, we can just trade 'em right here on our very own Action Room subforum.

Yes, this is sheer genius, and yes, I am in for up to $5.00 to help fund this venture.
 

Eric.

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You guys are really thinking too small here. I am envisioning a pool hall dedicated Real Estate Investment Trust that owns and leases the land, building, equipment, etc. to pool hall operators.

A Sale & Leaseback REIT? Awesome. I'd like to be the first to sell a poolhall to this REIT.


Eric >me first
 

lost

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I'm gonna buy this with free government money. Kevin Trudeau taught me everything.
 

watchez

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You would need Barry and everyone within 50 shades of him to sign a non compete -- or he would take the 2 million and build a building down the road from you, open a new pool room, take all his customers back and you would be left with 71 tables to sell on ebay.

There was a piece of property by my house that a major grocery chain wanted. They paid 5 million for it and had the owner sign an agreement that he wouldn't sell an adjacent piece of property to a competing grocery chain. He signed the agreement and sold the land to grocery chain (A). Then he sold the adjacent piece of property to his son for a penny. His son sold that piece of property to grocery chain (B) for another 5 million. America is great.
 

PINKLADY

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You would need Barry and everyone within 50 shades of him to sign a non compete -- or he would take the 2 million and build a building down the road from you, open a new pool room, take all his customers back and you would be left with 71 tables to sell on ebay....

good one.... :cool: and you're right.
that's why you let them GOB, and then waltz in at $0.10/dollar with cash.
 

Chicagoplayer

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Ahhh-

You would need Barry and everyone within 50 shades of him to sign a non compete -- or he would take the 2 million and build a building down the road from you, open a new pool room, take all his customers back and you would be left with 71 tables to sell on ebay.

There was a piece of property by my house that a major grocery chain wanted. They paid 5 million for it and had the owner sign an agreement that he wouldn't sell an adjacent piece of property to a competing grocery chain. He signed the agreement and sold the land to grocery chain (A). Then he sold the adjacent piece of property to his son for a penny. His son sold that piece of property to grocery chain (B) for another 5 million. America is great.

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Well said Watchez!
And never mind that he needs to be watched and mollycoddled to be sure he does the right thing.
The one year Dennis Walsh didn't assist with the escrow of the US Open money,
the players suffered and were put on the stall!

I always cringe to hear his favourite indulgent quote,
"I've been doing this almost 40 years."

Yet, he still hasn't figured it out...

It's not about HIM!

He interrupted match play last year for 30 minutes - IN THE MIDDLE OF MATCHES!!!
UNSCHEDULED INTERRUPTION!
to have an impromptu concert, in the middle of semi final play-made everyone just stop.

Where he put HIMSELF and continues to put himself...

http://wtkr.com/2012/06/19/man-and-dog-on-jet-ski-get-stuck-in-thick-mud-in-virginia-beach/

dork.

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buckshotshoey

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It would have to be sold as "building included" to be worth even close to that. Then it would be questionable. Too much money for too big a risk. You can never depend on landlords no matter how good of a person they are. Business is business. Dog eat dog. And what happens when the building owner dies or sells out? The family or business partner that inherits the building could really screw you over when your contract is up. Too big of a risk without owning the building.
 
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