3-Fouling a Beginner Level Player in a Weekly Handicap Tournament?

DeeDeeCues said:
Rules applied to both opponents are fair by definition.
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Yea fair in that they apply equally to both opponents. However, not fair in that they can give a disproportionate weight to a single rack in a race. Hence the inverted commas- there is a context here.
 
Swighey said:
Yea fair in that they apply equally to both opponents. However, not fair in that they can give a disproportionate weight to a single rack in a race. Hence the inverted commas- there is a context here.
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I'll hate myself in the morning, but how can rules give disproportionate weight to a rack? A game is a game, each one only gets someone one game closer to the finish.

Now, if the person who gets three-fouled loses their shit over it and can't play well after...that is on them. The rules have nothing to do with it.
 
both jump cues and ball in hand rules with 3 fouls, favor the better players and ruin the fun for the newbies.

even just ball in had favors the better player as the newbies cant hit a kick and give up ball in hand all the time.
 
maha said:
both jump cues and ball in hand rules with 3 fouls, favor the better players and ruin the fun for the newbies.

even just ball in had favors the better player as the newbies cant hit a kick and give up ball in hand all the time.
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Another rule that favors better players: a player must make a ball to keep shooting. Maybe we should get rid of that, too.
 
I ran a weekly 9-ball for a summer. First time doing it I ran through the rules. I was asked if 3-foul was in effect. I said yes. They said why? I said because that’s the official rules so why not play by them. They said most weekly tournaments didn’t have it. I asked if they would prefer we do without it and it was an overwhelming response to not have it. Kinda surprises me. I think 3-foul is a lot more rare than people imagine. It’s like a boogie man to them. They’re honestly scared of it.
 
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MattPoland said:
I ran a weekly 9-ball for a summer. First time doing it I ran through the rules. I was asked if 3-foul was in the effect. I said yes. They said why? I said because that’s the official rules so why not play by them. They said most weekly tournaments didn’t have it. I asked if they would prefer we do without it and it was an overwhelming response to not have it. Kinda surprises me. I think 3-foul is a lot more rare than people imagine. It’s like a boogie man to them. They’re honestly scared of it.
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The three foul is like the nine ball break to me.

The pleasure of doing it to someone is only a tiny fraction of the displeasure to have it done to me.
 
L.S. Dennis said:
I would keep the 3 foul rule and outlaw the jump shot in 9 and 10 ball. It seems like the good kicking game has really taken a back seat in recent times. Also I would not allow any early 9's or 10's in nine and ten ball.
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Naw
Players of today kick better than ever.
 
Coos Cues said:
Not related to the question but to 3 foul rule itself.

We voted on the three foul rule for league play at our league meeting. I voted against it even though I'm one of the stronger players. I just don't like it for a variety of reasons.

It passed and I snapped a photo of who had their hands raised in favor. I have never gone out of my way to three foul anyone in the past but now those in that photo with their hands raised I have a strong desire to do so. Sucks to be them.
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We also voted for league officers at that meeting. Having been the president for the last 10 years or so I also snapped a photo of those with hands raised for the other candidate.

These people are also on the three foul list.

If they show up in both photos I really bear down.:LOL:
 
ok, I am asking myself why is such a low level beginner in even a weekly tournament??
Gonna go out early, so what is to learn?? They aren't experienced enough to know how to play under the heat.
Actually, 3 fouling a noob would be counter-productive as they would learn that CB position is everything over shot making.
So why 3 foul them?
 
Dunnn51 said:
ok, I am asking myself why is such a low level beginner in even a weekly tournament?? ...
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It's a handicap tournament. It's conceivable that they have a match win percentage close to 50% depending on how the handicap is set up.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In a local handicapped tournament (NPL, Great Entertainer SF, about 1995?, for those in the area), Filipino Gene (Ventura) was spotting someone 5-2 at nine ball. The player going to 2 slopped in the 9 in the first rack, putting him on the hill. Gene then won five games in a row on three fouls.

People were generally in awe of what Gene did, not disgusted by it.
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I, too, played in those weekly 1995-ish Great Entertainer NPL tournaments. Early on, I was such a beginner that Dave Piona had to spot me 7-2 (the maximum NPL spot). I was somehow presented with easy 1-9 combos in the first two games and it was over. Point is, 3 foul offers some balance against a weaker player getting toooo lucky. It also gives beginners a very clear lesson about safety play, which the sooner you get it, the better.
 
I don't normally three foul anyone. However, if somebody likes using the three foul rule they may get thoroughly sick of the rule!

Usually pretty obvious when someone is trying to three foul. When they are my first or second foul will blow their trap wide open if nothing better is offered.

I try to make sure beginners have a pleasant experience. I am very unlikely to lose so there is no need to take obvious shortcuts other than shooting obvious duck nine balls. Somebody is gonna shoot it, I prefer that it be me!

Hu
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Handicapped tourneys should not fully negate skill difference. If they do, what is the point? Might as well flip a coin.
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One way to look at a 100% handicap system is that if you don't perform above your average, you can expect to lose no matter how well you play.

And in such a system you can reward superior skill by having a "masters" event from time to time that is scratch or only 50% handicapped.
 
Bob Jewett said:
One way to look at a 100% handicap system is that if you don't perform above your average, you can expect to lose no matter how well you play.

And in such a system you can reward superior skill by having a "masters" event from time to time that is scratch or only 50% handicapped.
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Bob, I too remember the old NPL tournaments at The Great Entertainer in SF (what a nice room that was) during the 90's what a lot of fun they were. The only negative to that system was that maximum 7-2 spot that VTEC John talked about in one of the above posts. That kept most of the better players away from joining. If there could have been a way to incorporate the race to 5 system with a maximum spot or 3 to a race to 5 similar to the USPPA but kept every other aspect of the NPL system, no score sheets, average determined on matches won or lost, lifetime membership, option to buy back if you lost a match that system would have been bullet proof IMO. Great times back then in San Francisco!
 
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