30" shaft question

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I hope everyone had a good Christmas and Santa was generous.

I had asked a cue builder to make me a 30" shaft and it arrived today. I don't know if everyone is as anal as I am, but I measured it and the actual shaft is less than 30". It would be 30" if I also counted the tip, which is unshaped and about 1/3" (very) tall. Is this considered normal? My instinct is to say no, because the tip is a consumable and not part of the shaft.
 
Much appreciated. One more question: the edge of the joint collar is rounded instead of razor straight, therefore slightly reducing the contact surface between the butt and the shaft and visually accentuating the gap. Is this normal?
 
Much appreciated. One more question: the edge of the joint collar is rounded instead of razor straight, therefore slightly reducing the contact surface between the butt and the shaft and visually accentuating the gap. Is this normal?

It’s actually better. I do this with any cue I purchase, on my lathe. It keeps the finish from chipping around the edges.
 
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OP:

The shaft is short.

Rounding the edge of the shaft face is not a common practice IMHO.

Not sure what's up with all that but you should be talking to the maker.

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OP:

The shaft is short.

Rounding the edge of the shaft face is not a common practice IMHO.

Not sure what's up with all that but you should be talking to the maker.

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Some cue makers touch the edge with a smooth file or paper .
As mentioned by Shawn, it is to minimize chipping.
 
30 inches

It should be end of ferrule to end of joint collar exactly 30 inches, if you got it today and first thing you did was measure it, yes you are anal. Send it back you will never be happy knowing it's not 30 inches, and.will blame every miss on the length.
 
Some cue makers touch the edge with a smooth file or paper .
As mentioned by Shawn, it is to minimize chipping.

I understand.

He said he does it with any cue he gets on his lathe.

He clarified that he does it with his cues.

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I hope everyone had a good Christmas and Santa was generous.

I had asked a cue builder to make me a 30" shaft and it arrived today. I don't know if everyone is as anal as I am, but I measured it and the actual shaft is less than 30". It would be 30" if I also counted the tip, which is unshaped and about 1/3" (very) tall. Is this considered normal? My instinct is to say no, because the tip is a consumable and not part of the shaft.
As I'm 6'5", I've had numerous 30" shafts made for me by Predator and Pechauer. I'll measure a number of them and get back to you. Sounds like yours may be closer to 29-3/4" to the top top of the ferrule, but I don't think that will make any substantial or noticeable difference in playability - only in your head!
 
I hope everyone had a good Christmas and Santa was generous.

I had asked a cue builder to make me a 30" shaft and it arrived today. I don't know if everyone is as anal as I am, but I measured it and the actual shaft is less than 30". It would be 30" if I also counted the tip, which is unshaped and about 1/3" (very) tall. Is this considered normal? My instinct is to say no, because the tip is a consumable and not part of the shaft.
I find it a little strange to get an unshaped tip from a custom cuemaker. For those on here that may know, is that normal?
 
I hope everyone had a good Christmas and Santa was generous.

I had asked a cue builder to make me a 30" shaft and it arrived today. I don't know if everyone is as anal as I am, but I measured it and the actual shaft is less than 30". It would be 30" if I also counted the tip, which is unshaped and about 1/3" (very) tall. Is this considered normal? My instinct is to say no, because the tip is a consumable and not part of the shaft.
Just measured all my 30" shafts, and they are all 30" from the base of the shaft collar to the top of the ferrule. You got cheated out of a 1/4"!
 
Thank you very much for your answers. Here are some pictures of the tip, measurement and gap between butt and shaft. Before I speak with the maker, I wanted to know what was acceptable.

If I order a 30" shaft and pay an extra fee for it then it should be 30" not less I think. It's as simple as that.
 

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Yes, you are anal, to an alarming degree.
The handle is typically 29". Add a 30" shaft and you're at 59".
You're whining because you only measure 58-3/4". Are you serious ???
OK, here's another buzz-killer for you to consider.
The length of your shaft will change every time you change a tip.
Not all tips are the same thickness so which tip will you go with to maintain 30" ?
As you play, you're reducing that thickness; chalking, scuffing, shaping, oh my.
Here's another : Where is it written that a 30" shaft can't include the tip in it's length.
I'll believe you, just show me.

The maker of that shaft did you a solid upgrade with the slight radius at the face.
Yes, you are anal and you know nothing about cue construction and the physics involved.
Shawn, Joey, et al, are CMs and know what they are talking about. We do this for a living.
That "razor straight" edge at the face that you desire will lead to the finish chipping.
The maker knows this. He's out in front preventing this from occurring yet you see it as
an area where you got cheated (again). How does the shaft play or does that even matter ?
Don't look now but your handle has a radius at the face also and they match.
The expanded contact-area that you speak of is absent from both sides. The shaft alone won't do it.

Why did you come here first rather than take your concerns to the one who made the shaft ?
People's opinions won't change facts, even if they agree with your expectations.
Trust me, I know the value of a good rant, I do it all the time.
The difference is that I do mine in private. That way, no one is alerted to my ignorance.
Talk to the maker, not the gallery. He knows his work and why, the gallery is only guessing.

KJ
 
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Yes, you are anal, to an alarming degree.
The handle is typically 29". Add a 30" shaft and you're at 59".
You're whining because you only measure 58-3/4". Are you serious ???
OK, here's another buzz-killer for you to consider.
The length of your shaft will change every time you change a tip.
Not all tips are the same thickness so which tip will you go with to maintain 30" ?
As you play, you're reducing that thickness; chalking, scuffing, shaping, oh my.
Here's another : Where is it written that a 30" shaft can't include the tip in it's length.
I'll believe you, just show me.

The maker of that shaft did you a solid upgrade with the slight radius at the face.
Yes, you are anal and you know nothing about cue construction and the physics involved.
Shawn, Joey, et al, are CMs and know what they are talking about. We do this for a living.
That "razor straight" edge at the face that you desire will lead to the finish chipping.
The maker knows this. He's out in front preventing this from occurring yet you see it as
an area where you got cheated (again). How does the shaft play or does that even matter ?
Don't look now but your handle has a radius at the face also and they match.
The expanded contact-area that you speak of is absent from both sides. The shaft alone won't do it.

Why did you come here first rather than take your concerns to the one who made the shaft ?
People's opinions won't change facts, even if they agree with your expectations.
Trust me, I know the value of a good rant, I do it all the time.
The difference is that I do mine in private. That way, know one is alerted to my ignorance.
Talk to the maker, not the gallery. He knows his work and why, the gallery is only guessing.

KJ

Why berate the guy instead of educating him? You're a professional with a great reputation especially around your work, your post will not feel good when the OP reads it. Responses like yours really turn people off and quite frankly they aren't appropriate and are beneath you. You had an opportunity to pass along some good jewels and instead of being positive you chose the condescending route. That makes you a dickhead.

P.S. No*
 
I understand this is shaft is for a playing cue, however when cues are sold those odd dimensions look bad, and affect the overall value.
This doesn't apply in this scenario, but collectors look at that stuff.
Cue collectors look at 29.75 as if a problem occurred somewhere along the way.
There are too many cues out there for sale and guys will move on to the next one, unless its a highly sought after cue.

On the other hand Kersenbrock and South West cues have 29.25 shafts and 28.75 butts.
My 60" SW is 30.25 + 29.75.
Just the way they have always done it.

I think I better get anal and start to measure shaft lengths when I get a new cue, so it doesn't come back and bite me in the ass later on.
 
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