5 Consecutive Racks Of 9 Ball

Don, we'll let your lucky 5 racks slide even if it was on the little boy's table with a smidgeon of luck. :-)

I hope Joe Tucker and the rest of AZ that has run at least 5 racks of 9 ball will post their precise specifications as I have edited the original post. FTR, I play almost as well with any decent playing cue in my weight range so I don't have much trouble adjusting to new equipment but I am looking to squeak out any extras that I can from any of my equipment.

Thanks,
JoeyA


Williebetmore said:
A-man,
Well, I ran 5 in a race to 5 tournament (8 foot Diamonds); but I made the 9 on the break once, and had at least 2 early combo's. If that counts then I have a Predator 314 shaft, 1 inch longer than standard, medium Moori tip. I have no idea of the diameter or taper; I've always used it, have no desire to fiddle with it.

While I'm sold on low deflection equipment; you might solicit JoeT's opinion on the matter - he's a better player, and has studied the issue as well.

You play well enough that I am wondering if you would really want to make any radical change in the equipment with which you achieved that level. Unless you are committed to practice, and have a good plan on how to re-learn squirt/throw/curve/deflection/spin, you might get frustrated with new equipment that has any substantial differences from your old equipment. I personally have strong feelings about low deflection equipment being ideal for beginners, but dang, YOU'RE NO BEGINNER!!!
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Okay ....

1) Shurtz custom standard shaft.
2) 12.75 mm
3) 15" Pro taper
4) Hercules medium hard layered tip
 
chinese special four point....

Chinese special four point right now. I'm replacing the tip on my main cue which is a predator sneaky with a wrap and a 314. I use BHE though for spin so I cut off the ferrule and drilled it with a new hard wood tenon and replaced the ferrule and I use a hard tip. I was using a moori hard but I'm thinking of going back to a triangle hard.
 
I have ran 5 plus racks of 9 ball several times and never owned a pool cue better than a sp meucci or dufferin and used a house cue for most of my life other than for playing billiards.
 
you should probably update the qualifications...

You probably should've specified running five racks in a row on a ninefoot

running five racks on a bar table is quite a bit easier....
 
What does the cue have to do with this really. Yes a good cue helps. Give Efren a players cue and he still runs 5 racks. Give a apa 3 a balabushka and he can only run 3 or 4 balls. Its the indian, not the arrow.
I ran over 5 racks with an F21 Falcon a decade ago. I don't run many racks any more.
 
JoeyA said:
Is there someone who could clarify what is meant by the classic pro taper and precisely what is that small growth over the first 14". I am glad you mentioned this because this is one of the things I am very interested in.
Thanks,
JoeyA
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I'd think small growth would be appx a couple of thousandths per inch. Where pro taper is a straight cylinder for the length of that taper. It may be some choose to have a straight pro taper for the first few inches then gradually increase by a thou or two. Anything is possible but more time consuming.

Early years,
MF Cue, (tripple taper) very gradual first 12 inches then another increase, then taper increasing conical to the joint. I'd get specific but my calipers mark the wood.
Shaft diameter, a tad under 13mm. Tip used a Blue Diamond.

Later years
Schon. Shafts started life as a 13.25mm, appx .522
Now tip at .512, at 4" .515, at 8" .525 at 12" .542 at 14" .554. These dwarf most all shafts I've seen. I've never liked a soft shaft or long straight tapers. To me there just to flexible (squirt) and I have to aim where It don't even look I will make the ball.

Not to hijack but, It's interesting almost no one knows there taper. Heck even the cue fanitacs with all their (best hit ever) don't even know. So what make a cue play good to you or one play better than another? If I know the specs on a shaft (I have mine somewhere from original order) then I know what to order. If I choose a little softer I can do so etc. The shaft taper and tip you like are the main ingredients for the feel you like.

Anyway sorry to carry on, those are my specs and the cue weights on both are almost exactly 19 oz. And yes 5+ a number of times with both. I can't make three friggin balls now so what difference does it make!:D

Rod
 
I just wanna know who on AZB HASN't run a 5 pack?!


Eric >6 pack, 12 pack, no 5 pack.
 
JoeyA said:
I was wondering if those of you who have run AT LEAST 5 consecutive racks of nine ball ON A 9 FOOT TABLE at any one time in your life, if you would mind sharing what type of shaft AND OTHER SPECS, you CURRENTLY play with:
1. The Brand Name:
2. The diameter of the shaft:
3. The Taper: (how many inches of straight taper or conical taper).
4. And the tip that you use:
5. AND how about the ferrule specs if any.

FTR,
1. Mike Bender standard maple shaft and cue.
2. 13MM sanded down over the years using micro paper green and yellow to 12.75mm.
3. It used to be a conical taper when it was new but have modified it since to a straight taper for the first 13 inches then cone shaped from there on.
4. Either LePro or Moori Medium.
5. Ivory

I am not trying to be snotty about who posts on this thread and am only trying to get a bench mark for the responders who have played at this level or above and to determine if I want to consider changing my equipment specifications in the future.

Thanks,
JoeyA
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1. Brand Name: Ned Morris Custom Cue w/"X" Laminated Shafts
2. Diameter of the shaft: 13mm
3. Weight: 20oz
4. Length: 58"
5. Shaft Taper: 15"-16" pro taper
6. Tip: Sniper
7. Ferrule specs if any: Ivorene-3 Tiger Reverse-Tenon Design

Though:

I ran a 7-pack of 8 Ball with:

1. The Brand Name: Tiger (Birdseye Maple) w/"X" Laminated Shaft
2. The diameter of the shaft: 12.75mm
3. Weight: 18.5oz - Length 58"
The rest, same as above.
 
Eric. said:
I just wanna know who on AZB HASN't run a 5 pack?!


Eric >6 pack, 12 pack, no 5 pack.
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THAT IS A GREAT OBSERVATION AND VERY FUNNY. Everyone wants to be in and cool. Its amazing what you can get by with on the internet when nobody can check up on you. The entire board has ran 10 racks.

I would guess unless you are a super strong apa 7 you have never ran 5.
I would also guess less than 1% of this board, or any player in pool has done this. 5 racks of 8 or 9 ball is rare, pro level performance. When you run 5, its time to pack the car and leave Oklahoma for NYC and get down with the big boys. 3 racks is stronger than whale poop.
Its called the fish grows, the more you tell the story, the more racks you ran. The bigger the fish grows. :)
 
1. The Brand Name:
Hunter Classics
2. The diameter of the shaft:
I've turned my shaft down to just about 12 mm at the ferrulle.
3. The Taper: (how many inches of straight taper or conical taper).
Don't have exact measuring equipment, but it's about 12mm at the ferrule, and straight for about 10-12 cm and gradually straight tapers into the butt.
4. And the tip that you use:
I use an RD made locally and generally not for sale except directly from the gentleman that makes them. There is one dealership that has his tips in stock from time to time. When I move back to the states, I don't know what I'm going to do when I can no longer get my hands on these tips, as they play like nothing I've ever experienced. Harder than a well used Moori Q, but 'bites' the CB almost is if it is made with rubber.
5. AND how about the ferrule specs if any
Standard capped LBM material, however tapered from 12 mm at the shaft, to about 11 at the tip. I've always done this to all my ferrules, and I've always found that for me, it enables me to see the ball better behind my bridge hand, and definately generates a very lively CB with considerably less deflection. It may just be the way that I feel it, but my shaft has more power, yet less deflection than a standard Predator shaft.
 
yrraltsafone said:
THAT IS A GREAT OBSERVATION AND VERY FUNNY. Everyone wants to be in and cool. Its amazing what you can get by with on the internet when nobody can check up on you. The entire board has ran 10 racks.

I would guess unless you are a super strong apa 7 you have never ran 5.
I would also guess less than 1% of this board, or any player in pool has done this. 5 racks of 8 or 9 ball is rare, pro level performance. When you run 5, its time to pack the car and leave Oklahoma for NYC and get down with the big boys. 3 racks is stronger than whale poop.
Its called the fish grows, the more you tell the story, the more racks you ran. The bigger the fish grows. :)
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LOL and what is hilarious is that my first post on AZB (see http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=17980 ), was in a thread where they asked who has run five racks or more and there were all kinds of people on this board that spoke up. The funny thing is that I was like you, and I was like yeah riggght...what a bunch of fish stories. Hang around here some, I think you will be surprised that there are actual players on this board. Look at the names in this thread...nearly everyone listed plays pretty good, some in fact play outright jamup pool.

Also take into consideration they didnt say run 5 racks all the time. Jeez I sound exactly like what Drivermaker and others said to me on my first post. LOL

Oh and also 3 racks is not that strong at all. There are like 10 guys in the pool hall I play in that have run 3 racks MANY times in their lives. There are at least 5 of the guys that have run 5 racks or more in the same hall. How do I know? Because after the first time I posted someone suggested I go around my hall and ask to see how common it was. Pretty common in fact in nineball, especially if you have a good break and especially if your talking about bar boxes where people run out like well water.
 
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yrraltsafone said:
THAT IS A GREAT OBSERVATION AND VERY FUNNY. Everyone wants to be in and cool. Its amazing what you can get by with on the internet when nobody can check up on you. The entire board has ran 10 racks.

I would guess unless you are a super strong apa 7 you have never ran 5.
I would also guess less than 1% of this board, or any player in pool has done this. 5 racks of 8 or 9 ball is rare, pro level performance. When you run 5, its time to pack the car and leave Oklahoma for NYC and get down with the big boys. 3 racks is stronger than whale poop.
Its called the fish grows, the more you tell the story, the more racks you ran. The bigger the fish grows. :)
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A 5 pack isn't all that special. Its very good and if you have achieved it, you should be able to average a couple break and runs (or at least run outs) during a match. That being said if your high run is only 5 then you don't run out enough to play world class. My high run in 9 and 8 ball is 6 racks and I certainly am not rushing to the nearest IPT qualifier. Why? Because I'll get embarrassed. I'd much rather play in the cheaper semi-pro tournaments to get experiance.
 
How about a reality check, these are facts you can not dispute. The top pros on earth, on the pbt, upa, ibt, 8 or 9 ball, achieve maybe 2 runs racks in a race to 10. They are around 20 to 25% with Efren on his best day on a roll winning it all at 30.

All you guys running 5 packs every day, leave the hood and come out on tour, get rich. Find out if you can do that in a real crowd and under the lights with tight pockets.
 
yrraltsafone said:
Its amazing what you can get by with on the internet when nobody can check up on you. The entire board has ran 10 racks.

Its called the fish grows, the more you tell the story, the more racks you ran. The bigger the fish grows. :)
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Fone-man,
The corollary to your rather specious theory is that all new forum members HAVE NO IDEA who is posting here.

The forum has several thousand members, and VERY FEW of them have posted in this thread. I can tell you from personal experience that I have met a fairly substantial number of posters, and not a single one has been guilty of misrepresenting their game (except a few have been overly modest).

There may be some braggarts here, but they sure didn't show up to the DCC this year. If you really want to know who can or can't run balls, then please join us at DCC next year (we have a private table and room for members in good standing); we have some SERIOUS players and students of the game - THAT'S WHY THEY COME TO THIS FORUM. Hell, satman is even money to run a five pack on you anytime he steps to the table (see, now that's an exaggeration, but just a small one). The majority of the frequent flyers here (and you will learn who they are if you stay) are here because of their love of the game, not to amuse themselves with computer/internet/message board game playing.

One of the great attractions (and rewards) of hanging around here is the opportunity to pick the brains of, and share experiences with, some of the best players in the world, and some of the most knowledgeable pool fanatics in the world. Welcome.
 
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yrraltsafone said:
How about a reality check, these are facts you can not dispute. The top pros on earth, on the pbt, upa, ibt, 8 or 9 ball, achieve maybe 2 runs racks in a race to 10. They are around 20 to 25% with Efren on his best day on a roll winning it all at 30.

All you guys running 5 packs every day, leave the hood and come out on tour, get rich. Find out if you can do that in a real crowd and under the lights with tight pockets.
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Hmmmm, let me see. Playing pool for roughly 20 years, played maybe 20-30,000 games of pool(probably more). I'm sure a lot of others on this board have done the same if not more(after all this is a pool forum). So in what part of your brain do you not think its poosible for some of us to run 5 racks once or twice. No one said everyday.

Please go back to your hole.

Have a nice day
Rodney
 
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yrraltsafone said:
How about a reality check, these are facts you can not dispute. The top pros on earth, on the pbt, upa, ibt, 8 or 9 ball, achieve maybe 2 runs racks in a race to 10. They are around 20 to 25% with Efren on his best day on a roll winning it all at 30.

All you guys running 5 packs every day, leave the hood and come out on tour, get rich. Find out if you can do that in a real crowd and under the lights with tight pockets.
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WHOA you are way off here. In the World Pool masters the players were averaging a whole lot more than two racks per match, and that was a race to eight. We saw three 6 packs and a lot of 2 3 4 and 5 packs. Alex Pagualyan ran two 6 packs in the tournament and so did Rodney Morris. The only way your statistic is correct is if you look at the US Open featured table where balls rarely drop on the break.

Ill re-iterate what uwate said, that nobody claimed to run 5 racks a day. But even if they did it could very well be in practice. In practice you may be playing close to 100 racks. That's alot different than running a 5 pack every day in a race to 11.
 
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