5x10 VS smaller tables 14.1

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The record of 309 on a 5x10 with slow cloth and the old clay balls that you had power break to get them open
The record of 526 on a 4x8 with the same balls and cloth as above
The record of 626 (in dispute) on a 4 1/2 x 9 with fast cloth and modern balls
Which do think was harder?
 
measureman said:
The record of 309 on a 5x10 with slow cloth and the old clay balls that you had power break to get them open
The record of 526 on a 4x8 with the same balls and cloth as above
The record of 626 (in dispute) on a 4 1/2 x 9 with fast cloth and modern balls
Which do think was harder?
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I'm no 14.1 expert but i'd say the 309 is the most impressive. Mosconi's run used those old balls? Thought Hyatt balls were out by then.
 
garczar said:
I'm no 14.1 expert but i'd say the 309 is the most impressive. Mosconi's run used those old balls? Thought Hyatt balls were out by then.
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It was 1954 and I'm assuming a little hole in the wall room would still have the old clay balls.
 
measureman said:
It was 1954 and I'm assuming a little hole in the wall room would still have the old clay balls.
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Its possible but i though clay balls had pretty much faded away by then. Maybe not. I still think 309 on that big-ass table is VERY impressive.
 
JS626 has to be the hardest. That last hundred has to be a different animal altogether than the first hundred. (hastey still waiting for his first 100) 🤣



Edit: I'll change my vote to the 10 footer. I was goofing around at the SB Expo one year on the 10 footer Diamond had there and I remember now how it humbled me.
 
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I betcha that the majority of people posting about which is the most difficult have lots of experience
playing on a 7’ table and 9’ too and not as many with playing on 8’ tables. Rest assured, there will be
people expressing opinions with very little firsthand experience playing on a 10’ table. When I started
playing pool in 1962, 10’ tables were common and so I garnished lots of experience playing on the big
table. And when I started playing on 12’ snooker tables, the 10’ tables seemed easier. The truest test
of your pocket billiards abilities is playing on a 10’ table. If you haven’t experienced it, then you are
just whistling on a country road because it is the hardest pool table you will ever play on, even with 4.5”
pockets. Attaining shape to make a runout on a 10’ table is definitely harder than all the others.....Nuf Ced.
 
Bavafongoul said:
I betcha that the majority of people posting about which is the most difficult have lots of experience
playing on a 7’ table and 9’ too and not as many with playing on 8’ tables. Rest assured, there will be
people expressing opinions with very little firsthand experience playing on a 10’ table. When I started
playing pool in 1962, 10’ tables were common and so I garnished lots of experience playing on the big
table. And when I started playing on 12’ snooker tables, the 10’ tables seemed easier. The truest test
of your pocket billiards abilities is playing on a 10’ table. If you haven’t experienced it, then you are
just whistling on a country road because it is the hardest pool table you will ever play on, even with 4.5”
pockets. Attaining shape to make a runout on a 10’ table is definitely harder than all the others.....Nuf Ced.
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RaytownRec in KC has a 10' Kling out of Kling-n-Allen's. I have shot on it and you are correct. Its BRUTAL. I think Matlock has hi-run (9b) on it at five racks. 309 14.1 on one is just crazy.
 
measureman said:
The record of 309 on a 5x10 with slow cloth and the old clay balls that you had power break to get them open
The record of 526 on a 4x8 with the same balls and cloth as above
The record of 626 (in dispute) on a 4 1/2 x 9 with fast cloth and modern balls
Which do think was harder?
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All things being equal – cloth, balls, pocket size, a 14.1 high run on a 10 foot table would be the most impressive feat in my opinion. We have a 10 foot table and I practice a lot of 14.1, and my high runs on the 10 footer are not as high as on the 9 footer with the same cloth and pocket size.
 
I think 14.1 on an 8 foot table would be easiest. On a 7 foot there would be a lot of clusters especially on the rails. As you move to the 9 and 10 footers, the break shot gets a little harder. Oh, but I would not want to try with clay balls on any table.
 
Years ago I played on a 10 foot table once and scurried back to the 9 foot.
It's much harder then you think if you have never played on one.
Lets not forget Greenleaf's high run on a 10 footer of 289.
Any other mega runs on a 10 footer I'm not aware of?
 
I think the 309 on a 10’ was hardest, 626 on 9’ middle, and 526 on 8’ easiest.

7’ would be easiest still, and I’d bet the house on it.
 
Most of Willie’s consecutive 14.1 Championships were played on 10’ tables back in the 40’s and 50’s.
Play on a 10’ table with fast Simonis cloth & it is sheer bliss when things go right & agonizing when not
 
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If the 309 was on a ten footer and with a set of clay balls that the shooter was using for the first time, I'd say the 309. A personal set of balls, the difficulty goes down a lot and I'd probably say it is too tough to call.

The typical set of clay balls rarely had fifteen good balls so you have to learn each set you play with.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
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If the 309 was on a ten footer and with a set of clay balls that the shooter was using for the first time, I'd say the 309. A personal set of balls, the difficulty goes down a lot and I'd probably say it is too tough to call.

The typical set of clay balls rarely had fifteen good balls so you have to learn each set you play with.

Hu
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Seriously doubt Irving Crane toted around his own set of clay balls when he ran the 309. IIRC it was an exhibition in Utah. Probably just a set they had layin around.
 
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