760 or 860? That is the question.....

SnapdaNine

SnapdaNine

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I'm going to recover my 9' Gold Crown. I was wondering if I should put Simonis 760 or 860 on. I basically only play tournaments and gamble on bar-boxes, and It seems like most of them anymore have 860 on them (or some equvilant). Right now I have Championship Titan and it is to slow to play one-hole or straight pool on. What do you think?

Thanks, Scott
 
SnapdaNine said:
I'm going to recover my 9' Gold Crown. I was wondering if I should put Simonis 760 or 860 on. I basically only play tournaments and gamble on bar-boxes, and It seems like most of them anymore have 860 on them (or some equvilant). Right now I have Championship Titan and it is to slow to play one-hole or straight pool on. What do you think?

Thanks, Scott
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860 with out a doubt. trust me
 
860hr

It's A Little Faster Than 860, Not Quite As Fast As 760, And Last Longer Than Both.

I'd Have To Say That Most Of The Bar Tables You Are Using Have Championship Felt On Em.....similar To 860, But Not Worsted. (alot Cheaper)
 
SnapdaNine said:
I'm going to recover my 9' Gold Crown. I was wondering if I should put Simonis 760 or 860 on. I basically only play tournaments and gamble on bar-boxes, and It seems like most of them anymore have 860 on them (or some equvilant). Right now I have Championship Titan and it is to slow to play one-hole or straight pool on. What do you think?

Thanks, Scott
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For 14.1 and 1P you want 760.
Mix in 8 and 9 ball and 860 is a better choice.
Either one puts Titan to shame.

860HR is a pretty new blend and too early to get a definitive grade for durability.
It's geared to commercial rooms/bars, is an inbetween speed and designed to minimize friction marks.

You can get the official scoop from Simonis here > http://www.simoniscloth.com/weave.htm
 
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I have a 9' table at home also. I was torn between the two and still am. I put 760 on mine. I only enjoy playing straight pool and my thought on it was that I don't have A/C in my basement and if it got a little humid in the summer the 760 would help.

I like the way the balls open on the 760, but I can control the cue ball much easier on the 860 at the pool room I visit on occasion.

Another consideration for me was that it is easier for me to go from fast to slow than from slow to fast cloth.

The next time I recover, I think I'll try the 860. The HR is treated with teflon I believe and that kind of scares me. ( no foundation for the worry)

I would like somthing like the 860HR which is supposed to be a tad faster than the standard 860 but I don't like the teflon idea.

I am curious about the Gorina cloth http://www.poolndarts.com/87-Gorina-Cloth/ and wonder if their Basalt could be a little faster than 860 or the Tournament 2000 may be a bit slower than 760 :)

Right in between would be just right. But as things go, I am leaning toward 860. That extra little rotation on the CB is annoying sometimes playing straight. I just can't make up my mind for sure yet.
 
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3andstop said:
I have a 9' table at home also. I was torn between the two and still am. I put 760 on mine. I only enjoy playing straight pool and my thought on it was that I don't have A/C in my basement and if it got a little humid in the summer the 760 would help.

I like the way the balls open on the 760, but I can control the cue ball much easier on the 860 at the pool room I visit on occasion.

Another consideration for me was that it is easier for me to go from fast to slow than from slow to fast cloth.

The next time I recover, I think I'll try the 860. The HR is treated with teflon I believe and that kind of scares me. ( no foundation for the worry)

I would like somthing like the 860HR which is supposed to be a tad faster than the standard 860 but I don't like the teflon idea.

I am curious about the Gorina cloth http://www.poolndarts.com/87-Gorina-Cloth/ and wonder if their Basalt could be a little faster than 860 or the Tournament 2000 may be a bit slower than 760 :)

Right in between would be just right. But as things go, I am leaning toward 860. That extra little rotation on the CB is annoying sometimes playing straight. I just can't make up my mind for sure yet.
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Simonis doesn't use teflon.
T2000 and 760 play about the same speed.
 
Dartman said:
Simonis doesn't use teflon.
T2000 and 760 play about the same speed.
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Rick ... I'm still procrastinating since I called you. :) What makes the HR faster? A room owner told me it was the use of teflon. He said he had looked into it for his tables. I don't know where he got his info however. I stand corrected if they don't.

Do you know if that Basalt is any faster than the 860? Its funny, I always thought the weight of the cloth was a standard ie so many ounce per square foot or something. I asked for samples of the Basalt shows three different weights based on three different size cuts. Very confusing.
 
The 860 on my table is very fast, In part to the low humidity at this altitude and I think having radiant heat in the floor keeps the temp of the playing surface fairly constant. I think how it was stretched may play into it also, tight might be a understatement I am not sure that my table slates are even important it's that tight:eek: :wink:
 
Classic Billiards used 860 hr in the room for years. Changed to 760 a couple of years ago. The room is in a small plaza basement. The hr I understood stands for humidity resistant and boy, did we need it! For 14.1 and one pocket 760. For eight, nine and ten, 860.

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Classic Billiards used 860 hr in the room for years. Changed to 760 a couple of years ago. The room is in a small plaza basement. The hr I understood stands for humidity resistant and boy, did we need it! For 14.1 and one pocket 760. For eight, nine and ten, 860.

Lyn
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To clarify - Simonis always had HR.
The old HR was called Humidity Resistant as you mentioned.
The new HR is called High Resistance.
 
3andstop said:
Rick ... I'm still procrastinating since I called you. :) What makes the HR faster? A room owner told me it was the use of teflon. He said he had looked into it for his tables. I don't know where he got his info however. I stand corrected if they don't.

Do you know if that Basalt is any faster than the 860? Its funny, I always thought the weight of the cloth was a standard ie so many ounce per square foot or something. I asked for samples of the Basalt shows three different weights based on three different size cuts. Very confusing.
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The HR (high resistance) blend is about the same as 760 (70/30), designed to minimize friction marks and
provide better durability in a commercial setting. Faster speed is a result of how it's made.

Simonis doesn't use teflon so maybe the room guy was thinking Centennial cloth (3030 with teflon).
I'm not really familiar with Basalt but the T2000 is about the same speed as 760

Ounce weight is a general indicator of cloth quality but not all mfg measure this the same way and
higher weight doesn't necessarily mean better cloth. Thread count should be one of the "advertised" standards
used to measure cloth quality (think bed sheets).
 
I have had all 3 on my table, and I will say it all depends on the mechanic.

860 stretched properly is fast
Gorino Basalt slightly faster than 860
760 plays the fastest

I currently have 760 on my table and I am happy with it. The table plays very well................of course every pool room I go into is slower than my table. I also found it easier to adjust to a slower table.

Mike
 
a home table wont get the play and abuse that a pool room table gets. so 760 will last if taken care of. both play great if stretched tight. make sure you up the guys ass about that. dont let him brush you off like some mechanics do and then you can grab the cloth in the middle.
 
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