8 Ball Analyze: Rack #17

just set it up and tried it.

I just ran it out going 7-10 in the side. Came up a little short on the 13 but had easy short draw from the 11 for the 13 in the side. Drifted down table for the 14 in the corner sliding over for the 9 in the side. The angle I got on the 9 led me to follow for the 15 in the corner with easy one rail shape bumping the 6 for a natural angle on the 12 for shape on the 8 in the same corner as the 14.:grin: Pretty simple out.
 
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I was under the assumption that you cant shoot the 4-15 combo. alot of places I play wont allow that.

in that case thats the better shot.
 
gregcantrall said:
I just ran it out going 7-10 in the side. Came up a little short on the 13 but had easy short draw from the 11 for the 13 in the side. Drifted down table for the 14 in the corner sliding over for the 9 in the side. The angle I got on the 9 led me to follow for the 15 in the corner with easy one rail shape bumping the 6 for a natural angle on the 12 for shape one the 8 in the same corner as the 14.:grin: Pretty simple out.
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The 9 in the side looks tough from the photo, if it goes at all. I guess it depends on exactly where the 8 is and how tight the cut of the side pockets is.

On some bar boxes, that shot is next to impossible even if it clears the 8. Maybe it goes on this table though...
 
TSW said:
LOL!

Ok, ok, here's a new one. First shot: kick one rail into the dead 8-9 combo. Pocket the 9; claim stripes. Game ovah.
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Even better, bank 3 ball into 8-9, knocking 13 open with CB. :thumbup:
 
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• 5-13 is more of a problem for solids than stripes. It's easily solved by either shooting a stripe later (10 or 11) or playing the 7-10 combo right now. No solid can deal with it 'naturally'.

• 9 is a problem for stripes but has 3 easy breakout balls available.

• 4 is sort of a problem, realistically only goes in 1 pocket. The 2 can get on it now.

Since the 9 & 4 are sort of a wash, problem-wise, I pick stripes since they handle that 5-13 better. Especially since the very first shot will solve the problem (I'm playing the 7-10 and just playing shape for the side pocket, running into them is less predictable).

Also several of them are hanging which even on a barbox does matter (I can imagine missing seven in the lefthand kitchen pocket, or 4 in the same hole if my position isn't great).
 
gregcantrall said:
I would take the 7-10 in the side and roll the cue ball forward for the 13 in the other side. Stop for the 11, draw back for the 14. Next I slide the cue ball over for the 9 in that huge side pocket with the 12 then 15 with easy shape on the 8.:thumbup:
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Well sht Greg, now you really put the pressure on me if you ran it out on your first attempt...sigh, leaving work in a few and going to attempt to match Gregs easy runout as well as the other methods...gl to me.
 
TSW said:
The 9 in the side looks tough from the photo, if it goes at all. I guess it depends on exactly where the 8 is and how tight the cut of the side pockets is.

On some bar boxes, that shot is next to impossible even if it clears the 8. Maybe it goes on this table though...
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I shot it on an 8' bar box with smaller side pockets than what is pictured. Looking closely at the 8-9 it looks to me like it has a pocket. That shot in the side is pretty simple if close to straight. If the 9 is blocked by the 8; I would be going combo the 10 roll forward for the 11, short draw for the 13 in the side. Then drift down table for the 15 with an angle to break the 9, with the 12 being the primary next ball but the 9 and 14 should be good options depending on the roll after the breakout.
 
SKJoss72 said:
i would kick off the long rail next to the 4 ball, to make the 15 and take stripes. after the 2nd shot should be pretty easy to dictate position needed for the rest of the rack. (damn thats a small table:grin:)
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I was thinking the same thing.
 
On a side note, notice how intriguing the options can be in 8 ball as opposed to 9 and 10 ball.

Now, I will suggest that all those wonderful options merely scratch the surface of 14.1

I saw the opportunity for another 14.1 commercial. LOL :thumbup:
 
14.1 is great practice for 8 ball.

3andstop said:
On a side note, notice how intriguing the options can be in 8 ball as opposed to 9 and 10 ball.

Now, I will suggest that all those wonderful options merely scratch the surface of 14.1

I saw the opportunity for another 14.1 commercial. LOL :thumbup:
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Playing 14.1 will definitly improve your 8 ball game.:thumbup:
Short precise shape can be key in both games.
 
Spimp13 said:
To start (and I would need to see the table a bit better from the side), I would shoot the 7 into the 10 to break out the 5 and 13. By doing this for your next shot you will have either the 15/14/11 as your next shot depending on how the breakout goes so I like it having options. That and by doing this you still keep the 15 blocking the 4 and can declare stripes which look better IMO.
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100% right way to play it... Now onto the next rack
 
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To start (and I would need to see the table a bit better from the side), I would shoot the 7 into the 10 to break out the 5 and 13. By doing this for your next shot you will have either the 15/14/11 as your next shot depending on how the breakout goes so I like it having options. That and by doing this you still keep the 15 blocking the 4 and can declare stripes which look better IMO.
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thebighurt said:
100% right way to play it... Now onto the next rack
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I respectfully disagree. The 5-13 does not need to be broken. If you shoot the 7-10 it is very simple to go to the rail and get straight on the 11 for a very simple short draw for the 13, even a stop shot on the 11 leaves a shot on the 13 in the side. Moving balls is to be avoided if at all possible.
 
Hey Greg, ironically enough that is the one rack that I ran cutting the 13 in the side.

Rack 1...I made the combo and got a bad breakout...was forced to bank to break out the balls again (cue ball was in best spot for this)...and hung the bank.

Rack 2...I made the combo and broke it out better, but was still hooked and forced to play a short rail on the 15 to which I missed.

Rack 3...I decided to do just that...shoot the combo soft, and then draw back for the 13 in the side. I was a bit short on my draw but still was able to shoot the 13 in the side. I got out from there. It really depends on the setup as a 1/2 to 1 inch can make a huge difference on that first shot on that angle.

Conclusion on this was that I need to make sure I know what my cueball is doing on the breakouts and not just blast it. It didn't help that I do no warmup as a disclosure.

Rack 4....4/15 combo..made it, drew it back barely enough for leave on the 14 but the 4 got in the way of the 12. I missed the breakout of the 9 on the next shot, but I think it was more on frustration of where the 4 ended up.

Rack 5....made the 4/15 combo softer, the 4 was not in the way this time however I did not draw back enough for shape on the 14. I still had the 10 in the side to which with the angle I left myself I didnt trust the slow roll for similar to rack 3 so I went for the breakout...didnt go well and missed another bank.

Rack 6...made the combo and drew it perfectly...this time the 4 got in the way just enough where there was about 1/2 pocket for the 12 to go in. I broke out the 9 with the next shot and due to the angle I was left was forced to shoot the 10 thin in the side. I left myself no angle to draw straight back for the 13 in the side so I had to draw back and break out the 13/5 to which I succeeded, however I only left myself a shot on the 12 which had that half pocket on a thin cut to which I missed.

I really should have warmed up to give this a better run (didnt do the solids)...however in conclusion overall I like the first combo better with the thought of slow rolling vs breaking out the 5/13....I probably really need to try each of those ways 10 times as it just might have been a bit of bad luck I was left no shot after the first two breakouts, however it is very possible the slow roll combo in the side to start is the way to go overall.

Sorry for the novel, but had to report what happened.
 
Spimp13 said:
To start (and I would need to see the table a bit better from the side), I would shoot the 7 into the 10 to break out the 5 and 13.
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Exactly what I was thinking, as long as you can see enough of the 7 to do that it is the clear opening shot IMO to have a really solid chance of getting out. That 12 is too important as a breakout or shape of the breakout shot to shoot on the first shot and leaves the stuff up table still messed up.
 
The path with the most options.

I like the 7-10 in the side to start as it gives the most favorable options if I get out of line. If I end up with too much angle on the 11, I just draw the cue ball off the rail and gently relocate the 5-13. This is a good angle to go into the 2 balls and has the 14 and 15 for safety valves. If I just stop on the 11 and have a steep angle on the 13, I can let the cue ball roll down to the 6 and be on the 12 or maybe even the 9. With break options for the 9 being available off of the 12 and 15 both if necessary.
 
Stripes. Requires a touchy shot on 9, after a touchy opening shot, but an easy out from there.

1. CB off side rail behind 4 for 15 ball in lower left corner. CB drifts toward foot rail, probably stopping on 6 ball.
2. Two options:
a. Back cut 12 in lower left corner with low inside. CB draws back and break up 9-8 cluster. Playing for position on 14 or 10.
b. Stop shot or slight follow shot for 9 in lower side pocket. CB for position on 12.
3. 12 ball in lower left corner. Send CB toward middle of table near 2.
4. 10 ball in upper side with low outside. CB caroms into 13-5, sending 5 to head rail, and stops. Playing for position on 11 or 14.
5. Two options:
a. If 11 blocked, play 14 in upper left corner. The 11 in upper right corner. 13 ball in bottom side or upper left corner. Send CB just past upper side pocket for 8 in lower left corner.
b. If 11 open, play 11 in upper right corner. 13 in lower side. 14 in upper left corner using low for shot on 8 into lower left corner.
 
Spimp13 said:
Hey Greg, ironically enough that is the one rack that I ran cutting the 13 in the side.

Rack 1...I made the combo and got a bad breakout...was forced to bank to break out the balls again (cue ball was in best spot for this)...and hung the bank.

Rack 2...I made the combo and broke it out better, but was still hooked and forced to play a short rail on the 15 to which I missed.

Rack 3...I decided to do just that...shoot the combo soft, and then draw back for the 13 in the side. I was a bit short on my draw but still was able to shoot the 13 in the side. I got out from there. It really depends on the setup as a 1/2 to 1 inch can make a huge difference on that first shot on that angle.

Conclusion on this was that I need to make sure I know what my cueball is doing on the breakouts and not just blast it. It didn't help that I do no warmup as a disclosure.

Rack 4....4/15 combo..made it, drew it back barely enough for leave on the 14 but the 4 got in the way of the 12. I missed the breakout of the 9 on the next shot, but I think it was more on frustration of where the 4 ended up.

Rack 5....made the 4/15 combo softer, the 4 was not in the way this time however I did not draw back enough for shape on the 14. I still had the 10 in the side to which with the angle I left myself I didnt trust the slow roll for similar to rack 3 so I went for the breakout...didnt go well and missed another bank.

Rack 6...made the combo and drew it perfectly...this time the 4 got in the way just enough where there was about 1/2 pocket for the 12 to go in. I broke out the 9 with the next shot and due to the angle I was left was forced to shoot the 10 thin in the side. I left myself no angle to draw straight back for the 13 in the side so I had to draw back and break out the 13/5 to which I succeeded, however I only left myself a shot on the 12 which had that half pocket on a thin cut to which I missed.

I really should have warmed up to give this a better run (didnt do the solids)...however in conclusion overall I like the first combo better with the thought of slow rolling vs breaking out the 5/13....I probably really need to try each of those ways 10 times as it just might have been a bit of bad luck I was left no shot after the first two breakouts, however it is very possible the slow roll combo in the side to start is the way to go overall.

Sorry for the novel, but had to report what happened.
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I think you just showed yourself - in 6 racks - why using a combo to start the rack can easily lead to disaster. It's hard enough to make the combo shot, let alone control the position of either the CB or first OB or BOTH!

Clusters do not need to be broken if your ball goes clean and you can get position on it to do so...
 
Bank the 5 and run out. Those look like very big pockets and the table I bet plays easy.

mohrt said:
Solids or stripes? What's the plan?

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