9 Ball Rankings
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You're sort of asking different questions, attempting to steer an answer to favor your belief. Anyone who is an APA SL-9 on a bar box will be an APA SL-9 on a big table. There's a whole lot more to being an SL-9 than table size.Beware_of_Dawg said:
That all being said, generally, if you're good enough to be a SL-9 in 9-ball, then you're not going to play the APA since it doesn't hold the same competitive arena. Also the 23 rule means that you have to be a part of a team with low skill players. And often, that gets a bit painful.
Now, before people get into a tizzy about my saying anything about lower skill players, it just is what it is. The APA's greatest feature is to allow all skill level players to compete while having a great weekly get together with friends. What I'm saying is that those who have dedicated themselves to the game such that there skill level is near or past an SL-9 level are generally looking for something else.
Fred
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Cornerman said:
bullspit, Im calling shenanigins on that one. playing 9ball on 7.5-8 foot bar boxes with canyon sized pockets is a world different from playing a shimed 9 footer.
The table size and pocket style is the same for both players. The ability will not change depending on equipment. Sure the 9 may miss shape more or miss more balls but so will the lower ranked player.Beware_of_Dawg said:
I love these handicapping threads, I feel like I am at the golf course.
D<-- about a 8
I've never played in a league before. If I can consistently beat the 10 ball ghost then what would I be rated?
Johnnyt
I'm an 8+. I was a 6 when I quit early last year, and I can consistently tie or beat a current 9 that I play against on Thursdays Q-Masters in-house league.
Handicaps in APA are based on running out. It is far easier to run out on a bartable; thus, there are certainly 9s on bar tables that would not be on 9 footers.
Our area has 5 players ranked as 9s. Between the 5 there are 3 US Amatuer Championships, and I nearly every state championship, when Scotty Townsend doesn't show up, in the last 8 years. It takes alot in our area to become a 9, but not too much to become an 8.
Our area has 5 players ranked as 9s. Between the 5 there are 3 US Amatuer Championships, and I nearly every state championship, when Scotty Townsend doesn't show up, in the last 8 years. It takes alot in our area to become a 9, but not too much to become an 8.
i have to agree with the person that said bar bax and 9' is a different game. for 1 a 9' table has less forgiving pockets not to mention the fact that in some circumstances you will have to hit harder to get position on the next ball. for me, hitting harder = less accuracy and then throw in the tighter pocket when the ball gets there. i have ran numerous racks on bar boxes (not on a row, i think 2, almost 3 is my best). when i do it on a 9 i feel like i accomplished something as it doesnt happen that often.
i also agree that when you get to be higher rated you start to lose interest. i got bumped up to a 7 a few months ago and now i dont shoot much anymore. if i ever become an 8, im quitting 9 apa 9 ball.
i also agree that when you get to be higher rated you start to lose interest. i got bumped up to a 7 a few months ago and now i dont shoot much anymore. if i ever become an 8, im quitting 9 apa 9 ball.
When talking about APA, differentiating between bar boxes and 9 ftrs is irrelevant. All matches that mean anything, such as higher level tournaments, nationals, even the calculating of SLs is based primarily on bar box shooting and projected stats.
Yes, there is an allowance for 9 ft tables, but not enough when it comes to incorporating 9 ft tables into the match stats.
SL 9 and 8 are rare. In the Baltimore APA we have about 15,000 active shooters and only about 2 % of them are SL 8/9.
With the assinine 23 rule, having someone who is SL 8 or 9 is a detriment to the team because if forces you to have more low shooters and less mid-level shooters than most other teams.
Yes, there is an allowance for 9 ft tables, but not enough when it comes to incorporating 9 ft tables into the match stats.
SL 9 and 8 are rare. In the Baltimore APA we have about 15,000 active shooters and only about 2 % of them are SL 8/9.
With the assinine 23 rule, having someone who is SL 8 or 9 is a detriment to the team because if forces you to have more low shooters and less mid-level shooters than most other teams.
We have 3 SL9's where I shoot and they are no joke. All 3 can regularly put a package on you and 2 of them often play top players from all around. They don't seem to play or practice as much as the rest of us, but I'm sure they put their share of table time in during the past.
Ktown D said:
Doesnt hold water. If I were to play a barbox 6 on my 9' shimed, he'd get tore up.
Ability does not change with equipment???. It takes less ability to pocket balls on a smaller table with bigger pockets and more ability to pot balls on a larger table with smaller pockets. It changes completely. Like saying that playing at augusta national is the same as playing your local municipal course... Your swing is no different right?? But the course is.
MBTaylor said:
Dont know what you mean with that statement? I cant speak for your area, or anyone else's but we have 10 9ball teams that play in our division here in Tampa. We play ZERO matches on boxes during the year. Every team's host location has 9' footers only.
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ArkansasKid03
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Barbox vs 9 footer
Everyone acts like this only goes one way. People say "we are about even on the bar box, but I would kill him on the big table"..... well what about the opposite?
I can think of several people around my state who have a much stronger big table game then their bar box game. I would rather play them on the bar table, it is a totally different game. A lot of people act like the bar box is so easy. Yeah it is easier to pocket balls, but you have a lot less room to work, less margin of error when it comes to position play, and clusters show up more frequently.
Even in my case as long as we aren't talking about some insanely small pockets then I truly believe there is no difference in my ability to run out on a bar box and 9 footer.
I really think if you are a 8 or 9 on the box bar then you're probably one on the big table.
Everyone acts like this only goes one way. People say "we are about even on the bar box, but I would kill him on the big table"..... well what about the opposite?
I can think of several people around my state who have a much stronger big table game then their bar box game. I would rather play them on the bar table, it is a totally different game. A lot of people act like the bar box is so easy. Yeah it is easier to pocket balls, but you have a lot less room to work, less margin of error when it comes to position play, and clusters show up more frequently.
Even in my case as long as we aren't talking about some insanely small pockets then I truly believe there is no difference in my ability to run out on a bar box and 9 footer.
I really think if you are a 8 or 9 on the box bar then you're probably one on the big table.
I played one and a half sessions of Double Jeopardy and was moved up to a 9 before the session was over.
BoD, I think what Ktown D was saying is that if both players are rated the same playing on the same equipment, that their handicap won't change playing on different equipment. Obviously, if one is rated a 6 on a 12' snooker table and the other is rated a 6 on a 6' bar table, the 6' table player is going to get roasted if he tries to play the other guy on the snooker table.
BoD, I think what Ktown D was saying is that if both players are rated the same playing on the same equipment, that their handicap won't change playing on different equipment. Obviously, if one is rated a 6 on a 12' snooker table and the other is rated a 6 on a 6' bar table, the 6' table player is going to get roasted if he tries to play the other guy on the snooker table.
Step back a bit Dawg and remember that it is you that doesn't have much experience around an SL-9. Can we get that straight first?Beware_of_Dawg said:
That being said, as I said, and as Ktown is implying, at that skill level, if you can become a SL-9 on a bar box, you're going to be an SL-9 on a big table.
There might be a skill level difference at the intermediate levels, but a SL-9 obviously isn't easy to get to, on either table. And if you can get to it on a bar box, it would be an odd thing for a person not to be able to play as an SL-9 on a big table as well.
We're not saying it's the same game on both tables. It's not. The skill focus is different. But, it's not just about pocketing balls. If they have the skill to become an SL-9 on a bar box, then they certainly have all the skill to become an SL-9 on a big table. That would be a horrificly incorrect assumption on your part to think that somehow the bigger size table would somehow hurt a bar box SL-9's shotmaking ability. It might be an issue to, say, an SL-6 for example, but not an SL-9.
Fred
Our APA players only play on the 9footers, and like someone else said the stupid 23 rule is why you probably don't see more of them!Beware_of_Dawg said:
Hell, we have one team that has two 9s on it but obviously they can never play on the same night! That 23 rule makes it hard for good players to play in the APA! It does not promote improvement. If you improve too much you end up breaking up your team to find some crappier players to play with!
Jeremy